Patrick B. Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Gunner in TNA uses the torture rack. Darren Young does the Northern Light suplex a lot but not as a finisher(he finishes with the Roderick Strong gutbuster move). Think Owen finished with it for a little while before he started using the Sharpshooter. Tyler Breeze(NXT) finishes with a really good spinning heel kick. I cringe on any sort of throw into the corner; just seems like a head drop for the sake of a head drop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool arrow Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 The shoulder to the ringpost spot is still horribly overused, but not as bad as it was a few years ago. I swear I remember an episode of SD where it was in literally every match. Underused is definitely good old knife-edge chops. No reason a few guys couldn't be dishing those out as signature strikes. Under WWE ordenence wrestlers are not allowed to do the knifehand chops anymore. Yes one of the "banned" moves as per Vince. I'm pretty sure I've seen Punk and Ambrose use them recently, but not with any regularity. Had no idea they were banned. They were when Flair was in TNA, but I dunno if they still are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenalysis Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 The shoulder to the ringpost spot is still horribly overused, but not as bad as it was a few years ago. I swear I remember an episode of SD where it was in literally every match. Underused is definitely good old knife-edge chops. No reason a few guys couldn't be dishing those out as signature strikes. Under WWE ordenence wrestlers are not allowed to do the knifehand chops anymore. Yes one of the "banned" moves as per Vince. I'm pretty sure I've seen Punk and Ambrose use them recently, but not with any regularity. Had no idea they were banned. I thought that ban was just because Flair signed with TNA, and that it got lifted. Michaels used them left and right anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Z Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Drew McIntyre has done the Northern Lights Suplex on occasion before, but I don't expect to see him use it again as long as he's in the position he's currently in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Yeah that chop ban seemed to last about a week. I remember Ambrose using the chickenwing and it was indeed great. The problem with that is, per Bret's book, it's a legit hold that hurts like a bitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spontaneous Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 The other day I thought, hey, no one uses the Iron Claw anymore. Why not? It is one of those moves that only work with wrestling logic as a killer hold but it looks cool. I guess because of the Von Erich association it would probably be disallowed though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supremebve Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 Yeah that chop ban seemed to last about a week. I remember Ambrose using the chickenwing and it was indeed great. The problem with that is, per Bret's book, it's a legit hold that hurts like a bitch. That makes a lot of sense, especially with the size of most wrestlers. When I was doing jiu jitsu it was pointed out that a kimura is usually more effective on guys with bigger shoulder muscles, and the chicken wing is basically the same exact motion. I now feel terrible for all those dudes that Bob Backlund, who is damn near supernaturally strong, was stretching like a rubber band. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 I think the most overused is the flatliner variations. Before everyone puts over Bray Wyatt and he does it very good I can shoot off a few names and im sure im more. MVP, R Truth, Kanyon, Shelton Benjamin, Carlito i believe as well. And countless on the insy scene. Bray Wyatt wears a fucking thumbguard. His potential use of the criminally underloved Asian Spike / Icepick as a submission finisher is right there.. BOOK IT~! And yeah, more heart punches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 Piledrivers are woefully underutilized in this day and age. See the Punk/Cena match where Punk busted it out from out of nowhere and the fans gasped in horror. Used sparingly, it's an absolute death move. Bully Ray was using it as a death move in TNA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 Speaking of the claw didn't I see the Erick Rowan use it in one of the early tags he was in when they got called up? For a limited, green dude that could be effective. And yeah the Asiatic Spike has to be coming. Wyatt can hold it past the bell like Mankind with the Mandible Claw and refs can try to peel him off only for his goons to destroy them. They can get some indy dude, put him in a ref outfit and let dude get murdered by Harper's lariat. Then you get Miz and Kane returning to save the day (god, don't you know that's coming... ugh). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Man Known as Dan Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 Just worth noting, the Punk/Cena Piledriver is fucking beautiful pro wrestling. Many a indy wrestler needs to watch that in a loop while writing "Less is More" on a chalk board for a few weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kafkonia Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 The other day I thought, hey, no one uses the Iron Claw anymore. Why not? It is one of those moves that only work with wrestling logic as a killer hold but it looks cool. I guess because of the Von Erich association it would probably be disallowed though. It's a simple reason: It looks stupid. Kane used it when he came back with his metal mask set-up, and it damn near killed the psychotic monster vibe he was going for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kafkonia Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 And yeah the Asiatic Spike has to be coming. Wyatt can hold it past the bell like Mankind with the Mandible Claw and refs can try to peel him off only for his goons to destroy them. They can get some indy dude, put him in a ref outfit and let dude get murdered by Harper's lariat. Then you get Miz and Kane returning to save the day (god, don't you know that's coming... ugh). You know Miz and Kane are both back already, right? Kane's even turned heel again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 Knew Miz was but not Kane. Work schedule makes me miss a lot. I just meant them as an awful tag team really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spontaneous Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 The other day I thought, hey, no one uses the Iron Claw anymore. Why not? It is one of those moves that only work with wrestling logic as a killer hold but it looks cool. I guess because of the Von Erich association it would probably be disallowed though. It's a simple reason: It looks stupid. Kane used it when he came back with his metal mask set-up, and it damn near killed the psychotic monster vibe he was going for. I know it looks stupid but it is a simple big man move. At least, someone use an Iron Claw STO, that can be a nasty nearfall move if they do it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool arrow Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Barry Windham used to do a claw into kind of a choke slam (claw slam?), but I don't think I've seen anyone else do it since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.H. Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Man I'm so sick of belly to back suplexes being reversed by having the guy escape by going over the executor's shoulder and landing on his feet. I just want a nice clean belly to back suplex! I think someone needs to dust off Brian Adias "Oriental Tool". I mean turning the Asiatic Spike int oa pure strike move to the throat or temple was so genius I'm stunned no one thought of it sooner! James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nofuture Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Barry Windham used to do a claw into kind of a choke slam (claw slam?), but I don't think I've seen anyone else do it since. Bison Smith use to do it in NOAH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool arrow Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Yeah, but he did it a little differently. Windham wouldn't release his opponent, he'd keep the hold on as he did the pin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 In the cash-in, Sandow was going for a Pile Driver at the end when he lost, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwoy2j Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 In the cash-in, Sandow was going for a Pile Driver at the end when he lost, right? That was my thought as well. As he was setting up for it, I thought that would've been a great way to "make" him into a legit guy. Hits Cena with a death move and pins him. Oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzalez Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 In the cash-in, Sandow was going for a Pile Driver at the end when he lost, right? I thought that was a great call back to the Punk match without having to do the spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool arrow Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Punk was able to get away with a piledriver. Sandow? Doubtful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valcourt Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 AFter reading this and realizing Cena kicked out of a Pile-Driver which at least the way it should be treated Kayfabe wise is a match ender... Does this make Bryans Knee of DOOOOOM kayfabe more deadly than the pile driver since Cena didn't kick out of it? Also, outside of Cena who is someone working today that has the ability of putting over a move by laying down clean? Taker? I always say to my less internet savy fan friend, "Bryan's knee killed Cena, so it kills EVERYONE!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzalez Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 AFter reading this and realizing Cena kicked out of a Pile-Driver which at least the way it should be treated Kayfabe wise is a match ender... In the WWE that's never been the case. Usually the piledriver was a near fall spot in the late 80's, and early 90's until it was banned from regular use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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