ka-to Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 1 hour ago, AxB said: I mean, plenty of heels kept the same gimmick & character throughout their career, and basically the fans decided they liked them so they became de facto babyfaces despite retaining their heel personality. The Rock, Roddy Piper, Cactus Jack, Sandman... Sandman started out as a babyface surfer. Sheik was brought in as a secret weapon by Pat Tanaka in ECW against Kevin Sullivan and Taz. I think that Dusty might have done the same. I also think that he was face at some point in the dying days of Detroit out of desperation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 So the Voros twins are going viral. For having no general knowledge (which is probably a work): They are Wrestlers, if you didn't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil4126 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 3 hours ago, Curt McGirt said: It's hard, when you think about it. Even Abby had a period in PR where he was happy dancing Abdullah the Butcher, right? EDIT: The Sheik. Sheik was NEVER a face, ever, anywhere. Happy....dancing.....Abdullah. I think this just broke my brain 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shartnado Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 6 hours ago, PetrolCB said: Don't forget the cowboy boots... Well, I won't NOW! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zendragon Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 6 hours ago, odessasteps said: That would stink for someone with elaborate gear or make up, like the Boogeyman . Well the Boogey man reportedly ate worms backstage off camera so I doubt he'd have a problem 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zendragon Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, HumanChessgame said: Wasn't there some big to-do several years back about how they instituted a backstage business casual dress code and wrestlers could get fined for not dressing appropriately? yhea, but I think it was more for travel than backstage in the arena. Jericho was unhappy and asked how they where supposed to be "rockstars" if everyone had to dress alike. Cena had an exception as long as he dressed "in character" (this is when he was still a rapper) and Foley had an exception that got revoked after a disagreement with vince, this was years ago so i don't know how strict they are or arn't on it currently Edited September 21, 2020 by zendragon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Web Conn Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 I didn’t know Michael Cole was a Dusty Rhodes fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 7 minutes ago, Web Conn said: I didn’t know Michael Cole was a Dusty Rhodes fan He is a Texican. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister TV Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Eoae said: Iron Sheik, maybe? I can't remember the Sheik gimmick being a babyface anywhere, though Khosrow worked face at the very beginning of his career? I don't think Baron Corbin's ever been a babyface. IIRC, he's never wrestled anywhere except the WWE system and I don't remember him ever being a face in NXT. KInda surprising, considering almost everyone turns at some point in the WWE. Who was never a heel? Steamboat?. He debuted as a babyface and he supposedly got his ring name because Eddie Graham thought his "Richard Blood" was a heel name. I don't think he ever worked heel in Florida or for Crockett (or WWF). Did Bruno work heel anywhere? Not that I can remember. It seems like Rey should have been a lifelong face but I can think of at least two heel runs (Promo Azteca and WCW briefly when he joined the Flithy Animals). Cena was a heel when he did the Prototype gimmick, wasn't he? This is as heelish as I think Bruno ever got. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordi the former AEW fan Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Was Tito Santana ever a heel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death From Above Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 I was going to say Kevin Sullivan was never a babyface but google says he actually was at the end of his run in Florida, somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWolf&Subs Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Just now, Death From Above said: I was going to say Kevin Sullivan was never a babyface but google says he actually was at the end of his run in Florida, somehow. Also he was a spunky handsome clean cut babyface at one point. Think young Dennis Hopper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister TV Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, Death From Above said: I was going to say Kevin Sullivan was never a babyface but google says he actually was at the end of his run in Florida, somehow. Sullivan was also a face in the WWWF and San Francisco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Web Conn Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Was Dennis Hopper ever a babyface? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peck Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Eoae said: II don't think Baron Corbin's ever been a babyface. IIRC, he's never wrestled anywhere except the WWE system and I don't remember him ever being a face in NXT. KInda surprising, considering almost everyone turns at some point in the WWE. Pretty sure Corbin was a babyface for awhile when he first broke in to NXT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Sullivan was also a babyface in Knoxville, when he teamed with Whitey Caldwell vs the Wrights in the early 70s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eivion Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 15 minutes ago, Peck said: Pretty sure Corbin was a babyface for awhile when he first broke in to NXT. He was more of a tweener. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eoae Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 47 minutes ago, gordi said: Was Tito Santana ever a heel? Apparently not. That question used to come up on Kayfabe Memories and the Wrestling Classics board. Supposedly, Tito never turned heel anywhere he worked. Even in Japan, he was allowed to work the same style he worked in the States and the fans accepted him as a babyface (according to James Beard, who worked with Tito in Japan). Tito supposedly went to Vince a couple times about turning heel later in his WWF run, but Vince didn't want to turn him. I'm kinda curious what Tully Blanchard was like as a babyface. He debuted as a fiery babyface for Southwest Champion Wrestling. In an interview a while back, Tully said he never had any desire to be a face and stayed a heel the rest of his career. I know he wad the promoter's son and promoter's kids are usually faces, but it's hard to believe even his dad thought people wanted to cheer Tully. Tully was everything a promoter wants from a heel. The only thing more punchable than his face was his personality. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 5 hours ago, Infinit said: Orton was a face in JCP before he turned on Flair to collect Harley's bounty, wasn't he? I saw a match with Orton after his WWF run in the dying days of Crockett where he was just Bob Orton Jr. Not a face or heel. Just a veteran wrestler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, Eoae said: Apparently not. That question used to come up on Kayfabe Memories and the Wrestling Classics board. Supposedly, Tito never turned heel anywhere he worked. Even in Japan, he was allowed to work the same style he worked in the States and the fans accepted him as a babyface (according to James Beard, who worked with Tito in Japan). Tito supposedly went to Vince a couple times about turning heel later in his WWF run, but Vince didn't want to turn him. I'm kinda curious what Tully Blanchard was like as a babyface. He debuted as a fiery babyface for Southwest Champion Wrestling. In an interview a while back, Tully said he never had any desire to be a face and stayed a heel the rest of his career. I know he wad the promoter's son and promoter's kids are usually faces, but it's hard to believe even his dad thought people wanted to cheer Tully. Tully was everything a promoter wants from a heel. The only thing more punchable than his face was his personality. We have highlighted the heel Tito in Japan trios multiple times in the last year. Come on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shartnado Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Peck said: Pretty sure Corbin was a babyface for awhile when he first broke in to NXT. At the very least a tweener with equal opportunity End of Days for heel and face jobbers and midcarders alike. This changed when the audience grew tired of his sub-30 second matches and he started becoming more of a dickhead, like the one we know today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eoae Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Matt D said: We have highlighted the heel Tito in Japan trios multiple times in the last year. Come on. Ok? I’ll defer to you on this one, but I apparently haven’t read whatever thread this came up in. Here’s one of James Beard’s comments from the WrestlingClassics board: posted 07-22-2007 07:12 AM I worked with Tito in Japan quite a few times and he pretty much worked the same way he did in the states and the Japanese fans usually accepted him as a baby. He did work against some Japanese wrestlers in both singles and tag matches and he would step it up a bit in getting rough, but he was never an out and out heel type. Edited September 21, 2020 by Eoae Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Tully worked as a babyface in Florida in the 70s. There might be footage out there, not 100% on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEAN Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Web Conn said: Was Dennis Hopper ever a babyface? Uhhhhhhh HOOSIERS. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordi the former AEW fan Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Matt D said: We have highlighted the heel Tito in Japan trios multiple times in the last year. Come on. Yeah, I remember it now. There was a niggling doubt in my mind when I posted that question. That match you guys pieced together. I watched it as part of Secret Santo. It was Tito, Chavo, and Andre working a trios match in Japan. Tito was mainly in there to take bumps and perhaps he was kinda sorta working heel, but he was teamed with Andre who was totally the rampaging bad guy in that match. Fascinating stuff. Surprised it slipped my mind. Edited September 21, 2020 by gordi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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