nate Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 27 minutes ago, Zakk_Sabbath said: They could make Latina their last name, and retcon them into sisters. Zelina & Melina Latina. Then bring in Serena Deeb when her AEW deals up and make em a trio. $$$ Chikara would've done it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Ryan said: Are we sure his wife would appreciate that? Maybe she's cool with it, who knows? Well we know John is cool with it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 Zelina Vega has already been Sarah Stock's cousin, does she really need to be Melina's sister as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, AxB said: Zelina Vega has already been Sarah Stock's cousin, does she really need to be Melina's sister as well? Eskimo sisters, maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 24 minutes ago, Niners Fan in CT said: Well we know John is cool with it. They've already got a "roommate" or "live-in butler" in John E. Bravo after all. And when he gets hitched to Rosemary... okay I'll stop 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattdangerously Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Zakk_Sabbath said: They could make Latina their last name, and retcon them into sisters. Zelina & Melina Latina. Then bring in Serena Deeb when her AEW deals up and make em a trio. $$$ They can be managed by Santina. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetrolCB Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Ryan said: Vince will assume that since they're both Latinx, they must be the Bellas and have them do Twin Magic and be mad when it looks weird. Aleister Black will then shoot beat him up backstage. Black Magic, since he will now get a magician gimmick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChesterCopperpot Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 After Dave giving the street fight the other night the maximum star rating - I was shocked to find out neither Raw or Smackdown have had a match rated ***** by him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 19 minutes ago, PetrolCB said: Black Magic, since he will now get a magician gimmick. Norman Smiley? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetrolCB Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 29 minutes ago, AxB said: Norman Smiley? He'll sell him the gimmick like with Glacier and Kaz Hayashi. Toss in the Big Wiggle for an extra $100. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Elsalvajeloco said: Eskimo sisters, maybe? Settle down ... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 1 hour ago, ChesterCopperpot said: After Dave giving the street fight the other night the maximum star rating - I was shocked to find out neither Raw or Smackdown have had a match rated ***** by him. Id have thought the famous RAW 10 man or THAT tag title change would have been candidates. But it seemed like he never used to give TV matches ratings outside of things like a Clash l. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caley Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 21 hours ago, Edwin said: Booking aside, he just looked checked out and unmotivated in his matches. Like at that point he didn't even look like he was trying anymore. Watched that Nitro match he had with Booker T and oof did that match suck. Booker had that one electric comeback, but the rest was boring. He was also injured a lot in WCW. He came in with the broken hand (or was it wrist?) from punching out Vince, later he blamed Malenko for not being careful with him causing him a torn groin muscle (Which lead to the great promo where he told the crowd that they didn't have a groin to tear), plus all the concussions. But there was lots of little stuff going on around WCW that killed his passion, too: he was being stalked by a crazed fan, his family was disintegrating and even little things like Doug Dillinger falling asleep so people snuck into his locker room and stole his jacket/tights (Jean-Pierre Lafitte?). 21 hours ago, Godfrey said: Bret's personal life also took a turn around the time he went to WCW plus family drama and Owen's passing, his heart (sorry) probably wasn't in it. At least we got this: And WCW almost killed this, too. Bischoff didn't want to put Hart in the ring with Goldberg because the crowd would cheer him over Hart. At one point, Hogan was scripted to come down and lay out Bret after he knocked out Goldberg and Bret asked why. No one knew why. Bret asked if he was going to be facing Hogan, and they said there were no plans for it. When he asked again why, they said he'd have to talk to Hogan so Bret went to Hogan and said "Why do you have to come down to the ring after?" and Hogan said "I don't have to come down to the ring." So then they told Bret to say he was quitting afterwards to play into the rumours that he was going back to WWF, so Bret just said fine. You know, we -deservedly- trash Vince for changing things on the fly all the time but it's nothing compared to the late-era lunacy of WCW. When you go back and read some of the stuff Bret and Jericho say, it's absolutely insane that angles are picked up and dropped with no rhyme or reason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattdangerously Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 Just being in WCW at that time is reason enough for anyone to just give up. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwoy2j Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, caley said: He was also injured a lot in WCW. He came in with the broken hand (or was it wrist?) from punching out Vince, later he blamed Malenko for not being careful with him causing him a torn groin muscle (Which lead to the great promo where he told the crowd that they didn't have a groin to tear), plus all the concussions. But there was lots of little stuff going on around WCW that killed his passion, too: he was being stalked by a crazed fan, his family was disintegrating and even little things like Doug Dillinger falling asleep so people snuck into his locker room and stole his jacket/tights (Jean-Pierre Lafitte?). And WCW almost killed this, too. Bischoff didn't want to put Hart in the ring with Goldberg because the crowd would cheer him over Hart. At one point, Hogan was scripted to come down and lay out Bret after he knocked out Goldberg and Bret asked why. No one knew why. Bret asked if he was going to be facing Hogan, and they said there were no plans for it. When he asked again why, they said he'd have to talk to Hogan so Bret went to Hogan and said "Why do you have to come down to the ring after?" and Hogan said "I don't have to come down to the ring." So then they told Bret to say he was quitting afterwards to play into the rumours that he was going back to WWF, so Bret just said fine. You know, we -deservedly- trash Vince for changing things on the fly all the time but it's nothing compared to the late-era lunacy of WCW. When you go back and read some of the stuff Bret and Jericho say, it's absolutely insane that angles are picked up and dropped with no rhyme or reason. I think Nash was supposed to come down and leave Bret laying at one point too. Bischoff also wanted Bret to heel on the fans that night too. Bret was like, "people have literally been standing outside the arena all day in sub-freezing temperatures chanting my name. Why should I be a heel?" Edited September 19, 2020 by cwoy2j Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 2 hours ago, odessasteps said: Settle down ... You can't fail to get back on a fastbreak and then be surprised a slam dunk happened. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChesterCopperpot Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 3 hours ago, odessasteps said: Id have thought the famous RAW 10 man or THAT tag title change would have been candidates. But it seemed like he never used to give TV matches ratings outside of things like a Clash l. Raw 10 men tag was rated at ****1/4 in the Feb 14, 2000 Observer That tag title change was rated as ****3/4 in the May 28, 2001 Observer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 I wish we got a Ric Flair and Jimmy Yang tag team on Smackdown in the mid 2000s, instead of that quasi shoot angle he did with Carlito. The Woo Yang Clan would have been tremendous 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 (edited) Woooooo!!! Edited September 19, 2020 by The Natural 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eoae Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 I'm a little surprised Flair never managed to piss Vince off enough for Vince to sign Jay Lethal and put him him on tv to do his Flair impression. I'm not particularly a Jay Lethal fan (his finisher frequently requires the other guy to just stand in place like an idiot) but far worse guys have gotten signed to NXT. Lethal can come off as bland, but other times he shows a fair bit of personality. I could see something like Black Machismo catching on in the midcard. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Eoae said: I'm a little surprised Flair never managed to piss Vince off enough for Vince to sign Jay Lethal and put him him on tv to do his Flair impression. I'm not particularly a Jay Lethal fan (his finisher frequently requires the other guy to just stand in place like an idiot) but far worse guys have gotten signed to NXT. Lethal can come off as bland, but other times he shows a fair bit of personality. I could see something like Black Machismo catching on in the midcard. Yeah I hate the handstand into the cutter for that reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 More people will see this here. Always had an interest in behind the scenes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianS81177 Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 22 hours ago, Ryan said: Vince will assume that since they're both Latinx, they must be the Bellas and have them do Twin Magic and be mad when it looks weird. Aleister Black will then shoot beat him up backstage. Someone should try and convince him that Melina is actually Zelina from the future. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eoae Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 I decided to rewatch WWE's Rise and Fall of WCW compilation this week. Still think the doc's kinda dry given how chaotic WCW was behind the scenes regardless of what year it was or who was it charge. But it's a fun collection of matches and not a bad way to pass a few evenings while the family is out of town. A couple things: - Was Rick Rude a lifelong heel? I think he was. He started out as a babyface jobber under the name of Ricky Rood, but was doing the arrogant heel character by '84. I don't remember "Ravishing" Rick Rude turning face anytime after that. WCW seemed to be teasing a heel turn and maybe a feud with Vader. but he suffered the back injury before anything came of it. - Speaking of Rude, "International Championship" seemed lame even at the time. Commentary mostly called it "the International Championship" instead of "WCW International Championship" which made it sound very generic. -- Never noticed it until now, but the Harley/Vader pairing reminds me a lot of Paul Heyman/Brock. Paul's a better talker, of course, but I'd much prefer to have Harley & Vader on my tv. -- That Flair/Hogan match from Bash at the Beach '94 is surprisingly fun. I'm not a big fan of Hogan's ringwork and don't really care for Flair after he returned to WCW (Heel Flair in WCW from '93 generally feels a retread of better angles in the 80's and babyface Fliar in the mid and late 90's is ugh - especially he Bischoff stuff). But... both guys were motivated that night and the formula of evil Nature Boy vs. superhero Hulk Hogan works better than it should have. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kang Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 WWE could put Melina and Mickie together, so they can be JTTS's for the other women. Anyway there are some Hogan vs Flair in the WWF at MSG matches uploaded elsewhere. Their 30.11.1991 match has a very good crowd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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