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Beside which, if anyone had an idea of how much of a stress relief it was to be out of that company, it would be someone who knows very well how much Moxley's emotional wellbeing has improved since he broke out.

Speaking of which, has Seth Rollins cut an "He took his ball and went home" promo on Roman Reigns yet? It's got to be soon, right? He can't help himself!

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24 minutes ago, RIPPA said:

Purely speculating - but if I worked for a company that took the dirt-worst, greediest, sleaziest, most downright evil approach to every labor-related issue like my employer did - I would want to get the fuck out as soon as possible

FTFY

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So happy for Renee! She's amazing and will probably have her pick of great opportunities once the pandemic blows over.

Did I ever tell the story about when I slid in her DMs when she was at The Score (in a non creepy manner lol)? She actually replied to me and it wasn't awkward at all 😊😊

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4 hours ago, Six String Orchestra said:

The low ratings will be attributed to the pandemic but i can't see them recovering this year even if crowds returned in some capacity.

It's been on a downward trend for years though.  I know they will blame the pandemic but it's been years and years of horrible creative decisions.  I am still one of the people who find some of what they are doing enjoyable..  

Probably because I've seen worse. That's not always a good thing. I'm not saying everyone should subscribe to the "I've seen worse" line of thinking but between that and the fact that I just DVR it mostly and fast-forward through what I don't want to see it helps.  

But the company is in serious trouble.  The ratings will continue to plummet. The TV contracts will dry up.  They will have to cut expenses and do more creative accounting to please their shareholders but even then it will reach a point of no return. 

But not all is lost.  AEW has shown that other promotions can be viable in the United States and they are doing well in the right demographics so it's not like wrestling is completely dead. 

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3 hours ago, Technico Support said:

This is awful.  What gets me is this: we have Big Data, we have machine learning, we have algorithms to figure shit out about people

True but we also have family and it's sad that in a lot of cases someone KNEW these people very well.. knew they were fucking crazy and did NOTHING.  This guy could have easily harmed Sonya, Mandy or other people at other locations and nobody knew? I don't buy it, somebody knew something about this guy. 

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5 minutes ago, Craig H said:

God. I can't believe I'm going to fall for it again, but I'm going to watch SmackDown on Friday just to see what this...thing or setup is going to be. I probably shouldn't expect much more than that.

Tempting as it may be for me to watch this I'm waiting at least until Saturday.  I see this as their latest ploy to get ratings and I don't want to reward them for putting more gloss on what can be a turd of a show.  Besides, I'm sure Twitter will have plenty of things for me to get a feel for how they're doing things.

Now I did get a hearty laugh out of the rules for participating in Thunderdome.  Everytime they mentioned that damn name in the disclaimer it somehow got funnier.  And a giant, giant *chefs kiss* to @Technico Support for that subsequent post.  Well done.

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So I'm not allowed to gesture towards my crotch and yell SUCK IT whilst wearing this?

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23 minutes ago, Niners Fan in CT said:

True but we also have family and it's sad that in a lot of cases someone KNEW these people very well.. knew they were fucking crazy and did NOTHING.  This guy could have easily harmed Sonya, Mandy or other people at other locations and nobody knew? I don't buy it, somebody knew something about this guy. 

Yeah, I know what you mean.  It's sad and you're 100% right.  No idea what to do here, just spitballing wacky ideas.

30 minutes ago, Niners Fan in CT said:

It's been on a downward trend for years though.  I know they will blame the pandemic but it's been years and years of horrible creative decisions.  I am still one of the people who find some of what they are doing enjoyable..  

Probably because I've seen worse. That's not always a good thing. I'm not saying everyone should subscribe to the "I've seen worse" line of thinking but between that and the fact that I just DVR it mostly and fast-forward through what I don't want to see it helps.  

But the company is in serious trouble.  The ratings will continue to plummet. The TV contracts will dry up.  They will have to cut expenses and do more creative accounting to please their shareholders but even then it will reach a point of no return. 

But not all is lost.  AEW has shown that other promotions can be viable in the United States and they are doing well in the right demographics so it's not like wrestling is completely dead. 

What kills me is how WWE has dealt with AEW as opposed to how they dealt with WCW.  Back then, after getting beaten for a while, WWE radically changed their product in an attempt to gain viewers and right the sinking ship.  Yes, they were helped by the luck of having generational talents like Austin, Rock, Taker, and Mankind on their roster, but even then Vince's hubris wasn't such that he held these guys back when they started getting over on their own.  Everything is totally different now.  Today, they downplay AEW, move their third brand show to Wednesdays in a half hearted attempt to beat them, and not much else.  Vince went from being this guy who learned from mistakes, didn't accept bullshit excuses (turnout was low because of the weather or whatever), pushed guys who were getting over, etc. to this dude who does the exact opposite of all that.  Now he acts like he doesn't make mistakes, makes one bullshit excuse after another, refuses to push guys who weren't in the plans.  What the hell happened?  Does narcissism get worse with age?  My feeling is that he surrounded himself with yes men and those kind of people insulate you to the point where you stop feeling like you make mistakes and every problem is someone else's fault.  It's sad to see but I think, unless you're careful, having sycophants around telling you your shit doesn't stink is the downfall of every successful person.  Emperor's New Clothes and all that.

Anyway, all this is to say fish rots from the head and I don't see WWE rebounding.  When Vince goes off to that great weight room in the sky, will Steph and HHH even want to deal with this shit?  I can see the family, set for life already, selling it off and retiring to have fun with their kids.  Fuck, I know I would.

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WCW was a much bigger threat then and the financial dynamics are completely different now.  Vince had a gun to the back of his head back then and needed to adapt or the reality of closing shop was possible.  Right now WWE is probably at it's most financially secure spot ever.  The boat might have a leak, but Vince is going to sail that boat as far as possible.

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3 minutes ago, Eivion said:

The show that was already on Wednesdays moved to Wednesdays?

This talking point needs to stop. So few people watched NXT live as it aired on Wednesdays with most people watching it days later. Not to mention that the audience for it was minuscule compared to airing it on USA. 

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45 minutes ago, Niners Fan in CT said:

She's great in the Ernie role.  She was awesome on Talking Smack.  She's overqualified for current WWE. 

She would be great for that, but I hope Ernie never leaves. 

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2 minutes ago, Craig H said:

This talking point needs to stop. So few people watched NXT live as it aired on Wednesdays with most people watching it days later. Not to mention that the audience for it was minuscule compared to airing it on USA. 

Have numbers for how many watched NXT live or otherwise on the network ever been released? Beyond that the point is that the other side of the argument that they only did to hurt AEW is ridiculous. It ignores too many other factors.

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