PetrolCB Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Wyld Samurai said: Seth is a goober. If this was the early-mid 90s he would have been Max Moon. How about we combine two gimmicks and he becomes astronaut hockey player Max Goon. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 6 hours ago, nofuture said: I think Ember has expressed before that all the titles being on just 2 women is bad because it's leaving a lot of other women on the sidelines with nothing to do. Shayna and Nia are feuding now and Asuka is a challenger, Nikki is a challenger and Bianca and Ruby are joining forces to battle the IIconics. Naomi is feuding with Lacey Evans. Carmella is out of the bubble, Charlotte is on hiatus, Becky is on maternity leave, Liv Morgan is rumored to have Covid, Mandy Rose was on a honeymoon with Otis. Who else is there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 2 hours ago, Eivion said: Honestly, I think Seth just isn't particularly good at character work. Character wise I think what most of WWE has given him to work with has been fine. Its just not material Seth can pull off believably because he is a terrible actor even by wrestling standards. Wrestling wise I think his best work has been tag based. I liked his last IC title run. He was on a nice streak of PPV matches, it didn't really translate into his Universal title run because he was forced to talk alot more plus he was booked like a geek on top of the exploiting the fact that he was dating Becky didn't help. They force him into being this vocal locker room leader. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnatural Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 5 hours ago, MavsFan77 said: I don’t see anyone doing well with eye for an eye bs they’ve had him doing with Rey. I'm thinking the best way to book the eye for an eye thing is the Moxley/Santana/Demogod version. Mox loses use of his eye, ends up unhinged, goes after one of the goons, takes his eye too. They have a heated match with Santana giving the promo of his life. Mox wins that one, still plays up the injury luring the final boss into complacency and ends up winning the feud Maybe Seth takes out the eye, rey goes after buddy's eye, rey lures seth in then wins the big one? Nope, too complex for the team of writers at WWE. Needs more farts and pants wetting 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MavsFan77 Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Hayabusa said: I'm thinking the best way to book the eye for an eye thing is the Moxley/Santana/Demogod version. Mox loses use of his eye, ends up unhinged, goes after one of the goons, takes his eye too. They have a heated match with Santana giving the promo of his life. Mox wins that one, still plays up the injury luring the final boss into complacency and ends up winning the feud Maybe Seth takes out the eye, rey goes after buddy's eye, rey lures seth in then wins the big one? Nope, too complex for the team of writers at WWE. Needs more farts and pants wetting Hey you forgot people randomly throwing up. Because we all know “That’s good shit pal.” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zakk_Sabbath Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 5 hours ago, Death From Above said: One of the few similarities between WWE and AEW right now is both have a shitty cult I don't care about. I was in agreeance with you about Dark Order in the beginning, but they've turned the tide for me in the last couple months and now I'm into them more. I like the whole Colt/Brodie thing a lot, and they've done some humorous stuff on BTE (which admittedly, wouldn't be airable on TNT anyway). Also note I haven't seen tonight's Dynamite yet so not sure how the tag match went Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caley Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 2 hours ago, Ziggy said: I liked his last IC title run. He was on a nice streak of PPV matches, it didn't really translate into his Universal title run because he was forced to talk alot more plus he was booked like a geek on top of the exploiting the fact that he was dating Becky didn't help. They force him into being this vocal locker room leader. I think the other problem with it is Rollins was super-over as guy who "Burns it down" and has solid, long matches that got great crowd reactions every week. But instead of jumping on it while he was, arguably, the most over face on the show. They decided to prolong it until WM so he'd get his WM moment, by that point the flame had burned out a little, he'd been saddled with crappy feuds (Like Ziggler and Ambrose) and the booking for the Lesnar feud was awful (Lesnar repeatedly destroying him, then that quick match to open WM with Rollins needing the low-blow to win). It's one of WWE's major booking flaws: an unwillingness/unability to strike when the iron is hot. Sometimes you have to throw the long-term plan (Presuming they have one) out the window and jump on the bandwagon when something is taking off. Remember when they spent 4-5 months building to Triple H's return and World Title win, then abruptly took the title off him only a month after he won it because people went Hogan crazy?! It didn't hurt Triple H, didn't hurt buyrates (The 2002 Backlash did 25,000 more buys than the previous year's), and took advantage of an act that was hot at the moment. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godfrey Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 https://www.si.com/wrestling/2020/07/29/randy-orton-drew-mcintyre-wrestlemania Of all the things that 2020 has brought me, the most surprising is how much I agree with Randy Orton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 7 hours ago, MavsFan77 said: I don’t see anyone doing well with eye for an eye bs they’ve had him doing with Rey. That’s been some extremely bad booking even for a company that specializes in it. They tried to work it like it was a regular match at times. It was really good at parts. If they didn't have to work around that stipulation they would've put on a Match of the Year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MavsFan77 Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 12 minutes ago, Ziggy said: They tried to work it like it was a regular match at times. It was really good at parts. If they didn't have to work around that stipulation they would've put on a Match of the Year. I did enjoy the parts of the match you referenced. I meant in general the storyline and then the stipulation for that match were BS. I think if they’d told a more simple story of Seth trying to recruit Dominick, and then run a straight match like you suggested then it would have been much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 40 minutes ago, MavsFan77 said: I did enjoy the parts of the match you referenced. I meant in general the storyline and then the stipulation for that match were BS. I think if they’d told a more simple story of Seth trying to recruit Dominick, and then run a straight match like you suggested then it would have been much better. Certain people say that stipulation was a way to get back at Rey for holding them up with contract renegotiations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyLaw Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 8 hours ago, Ziggy said: Before Nitro was a thing PPVs was only 5 times a year, not nearly as many PPV quality matchups on free tv. Only one brand a few title. Every moved slower. Today everyone can make a case for their favorite wrestler deserving a title because they are half way decent. Until the mid 90s you could be Hall of fame level and not hold a title. Today you could be 5 years on the main roster and had a top title 5 times already. You’re right, and these things actually work to make people even more stale. First, things used to move slower and guys stuck around for less time. Now we have so much more programming and guys are sticking around, so they’re getting stale that much faster. Combine that with their willingness (at least a while back, less so now) to put the title on basically midcard guys (Swagger, Miz, Sheamus’s first run, Jinder) and it typically marks those guys as bombs rather than do anything to help them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SorceressKnight Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 Honestly, this is more the problem with wrestlers' being "stale". WCW taught people that there's two different ages that matter: "real age" and "TV age." The names who were seen as "stale" vs. "young talent" is the best example: Chronologically, Randy Orton and Shayna Baszler both turn 40 this year, but "2020 Main Roster Rookie Shayna Baszler" is far, far fresher than "18 year main roster veteran Randy Orton." If this is an example of any problem with WWE, it's an example where WWE getting the best athletes is starting to bite them in the ass. Traditionally in wrestling, wrestlers seemed to peak in their mid-late '30s, make it to the top at that time period, and after a few years of stardom they take a shorter schedule and wind things down. Now, since WWE can get top-tier athletes and prospects when they're younger, you're seeing a bumper crop of wrestlers who are still in the prime of their career, still doing a lot of great wrestling and haven't even come close to losing a step, much less being ready to wind things down...but they've been on WWE TV for so long they've gone past stale and gone to petrified, and it's impossible to care anymore since we've basically seen them do everything possible. Using the example @L_W_P used: Austin's WWE career was 7 years long. The Rock's career was only about 8 years long. ...by contrast, Dolph Ziggler has played "The Showoff"- not even Ziggler's career as a 15 year main roster veteran, but merely playing the "The Showoff" character- for 9 years. Even if you have @Yo-Yo's Roomie using Bret as a 7 year veteran and Shawn as an 8 year veteran before winning the World Title, at least then you have the "I love this midcarder and I'd really like to see him win the big one" factor to it. You don't even have that for Ziggler since his character is "he's a good midcarder who never wins the World Title except for that time he totally did, oh- and I guess we can count that other time he totally did on a technicality." The WWE's biggest problem is that they need someone who's willing to give the roster an enema and say "We're done. You've gone as far as you can go. The audience just doesn't care anymore. You want out? Fine. Leave the company. Go to AEW, New Japan or Impact- go be their problem now. We're better off without you because we'll remain fresh"...but it's not even like the washed-up WCW main eventers because most of the WWE main eventers are still very, very good in the ring. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SorceressKnight Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 (edited) Double post. Edited July 30, 2020 by SorceressKnight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SorceressKnight Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 (edited) Triple post. Edited July 30, 2020 by SorceressKnight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 Seth Rollins took forever to recover from his first run as heel champion hiding behind The Authority. He was made out to be a chump sure but he was also put out there for 15-20 minute Triple H style monologues, was horrible at it and they kept doing it.. "BURN IT DOWN" almost got him back to where he was but then he kind of ruined himself again with the Twitter nonsense. So yeah, I think he's probably already peaked and now he's just stuck on a hamster wheel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 Seth is a genuinely fantastic tag worker. He's a self-indulgent, all style no substance singles worker who can have a good match with the right guy. (Miz, oddly enough, gets my vote as his best opponent. Probably cause Miz both won't and probably can't keep up with Seth's pace, so he had to slow the fuck down and actually tell a story.) On the mic, though? He's the worst WWF/WWE main eventer in the 30ish years I've been watching wrestling. He's terrible at conveying emotion, terrible at sounding sincere, terrible at expressing any character through his talking, and he's just so damn monotone. Anyone who writes a format that says "Seth Rollins talks" should be fired and removed from the premises. In a more sane time period, he would be a permanent tag guy, given either a partner that has charisma and can talk, or a manager to talk for them, and he'd be great at it. Instead, he's usually the worst part of every single show he's on. I legitimately would rather re-watch all of Jinder Mahal's title run than any of Seth's big runs on top. (All that said, while I can't understand how it happened, there was a period in the summer of 2018 when he was absolutely on fire, the hottest, most over act in the company. By the time they finally put the belt on him, while he was still over, he was clearly already on the downswing from that peak. But that's WWE for you.) 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thee Reverend Axl Future Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 "Making love with his ego, Rollins sucked up into his mind. Like a goober messiah - When the booking killed the man I had to stop watching RAW..." (RIP Mr. Bowie) - RAF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eivion Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 2 hours ago, Brian Fowler said: He's a self-indulgent, all style no substance singles worker who can have a good match with the right guy. (Miz, oddly enough, gets my vote as his best opponent. Probably cause Miz both won't and probably can't keep up with Seth's pace, so he had to slow the fuck down and actually tell a story.) I thought AJ and Roman lead Seth to his best singles matches in WWE. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 I think my favorite Rollins match was against Cena at SummerSlam 2015. Legit laughed out loud at Fowler saying he'd rather watch Jinder Mahal's run on top then relive anything Rollins did in the main event. Yes, I too enjoy subpar matches and racist promos! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolfan in NYC Posted July 30, 2020 Author Share Posted July 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Casey said: I think my favorite Rollins match was against Cena at SummerSlam 2015. Legit laughed out loud at Fowler saying he'd rather watch Jinder Mahal's run on top then relive anything Rollins did in the main event. Yes, I too enjoy subpar matches and racist promos! I mean... we all watched HHH's runs in the early 2000's. 5 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Ape Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 On 7/1/2020 at 8:10 AM, christopher.annino said: Has Rusev/Miro said anything about his wrestling future or is he set with being fairly wealthy and having a hot wife? He announced his retirement to focus on being a streamer. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zakk_Sabbath Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 I don't remember even if it was this months thread or not, but Miroslav Barnyashev has IMO gotta be in the "Richard Blood > Ricky Steamboat" conversation we were having recently 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinit Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 RE: Excalibur I'd like to think I'm a pretty socially conscious person. That being said, am I the only person that thinks this is much ado about nothing because he was a character saying a line in an angle at a wrestling show and not in real life? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 (edited) Both men have dealt with it in the past and apologized for stupid things they did back in the day, but I don't think people give a damn about that right now. A ton of early PWG stuff doesn't age well content-wise depending on the show. Whether it be angles, promos, vignettes or commentary. Edited July 30, 2020 by Ryan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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