supremebve Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Some how I missed all the nostalgia posts, but I've been around here for a long ass time. I was a lurker for a good long time starting from the old green board that looked like a giant outline. I'm pretty sure I started posting in the MMA folder, because it was the least toxic MMA forum I could find. This is pretty much the only place I go to discuss wrestling, sports, videogames, or anything else on a daily basis. Honestly, this place feels like my online home. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Ramo2653 said: If we're believing the burner account, then it's more about free weed and free ring time, which makes slightly more sense. Not right, mind you, but more sense. Ah, I didn't read the thread, just the post here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Web Conn said: funny you posted that, somebody on twitter tweeted something along the lines "Moose just blocked me guess he's too busy hitting his wives" so I tweeted back "I see why he blocked you you keep bringing up that he hit his wife" not the most tasteful joke i know but made it and I had no knowledge of Moose hanging w\out with Chasyn Rance. Then that person who made the original tweet came at me I'm gonna write it out cuz they were upset and it wasn't my intention "I brought it up cuz he's willfully promoting a person who raped a child while being a pos. You got something else to add to the conversation or are you ready to put the foot on the gas and stay in your lane? Let me know if you need directions to find loserville" so i said "it was sarcasm chill the fuck out" now if they had stopped the twitter after the "while being a pos" I would have enquired about what he did and engaged in a conversation but the "directions to loserville" quip struck a chord i guess. They then said I wasn't funny and blocked me. For the record I don't think Rance should be in the wrestling business. And also on record I am digging thie Real World Champion stuff on Impacy but I'm not a Quinn Ojinnaka (Moose's government name) fan at all. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elizium Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 I realize it's not legal everywhere in the states, but is it really that hard to get weed down there? That Mark Felt *eyeroll* tweet got me momentarily excited: "He's their drug dealer" Ooooh tea, let's hear it. "He's been selling weed to wrestlers" Oh, that's a let down, that doesn't even count as drug dealing. Seriously professional wrestlers, there's plenty of people that will give you free weed just for the access of chilling with you for half an hour, you don't need to hit up pedophiles. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 4 hours ago, Andy in Kansas said: The buy-in on "Jon Moxley: certified draw" that didn't exist a couple hours ago is really something. The #1 rule since 2003 is "when in doubt, blame Vince..." Why start blaming other people now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattdangerously Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 22 minutes ago, elizium said: Seriously professional wrestlers, there's plenty of people that will give you free weed just for the access of chilling with you for half an hour, you don't need to hit up pedophiles. Do these guys not have Jeff Hardy's phone number, or what? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyLaw Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Ziggy said: Its was WWEs decision to run up against AEW in the first place which in sure they wanted to avoid. This talking point isn’t exactly right. AEW decided to run against NXT when it was on the network. In response, WWE was able to move NXT to USA at the same time with a second hour, which had been rumored to be happening for a while, prior to the Dynamite announcement, IIRC. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 A year ago, when Dynamite hadn't started yet and AEW announced the original Fight for the Fallen as a charity show to benefit victims of gun violence... Vince counter programmed it with a live Network special. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zakk_Sabbath Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 I'm a complete idiot and forgot they own the Jags yeah no way they go up against MNF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattdangerously Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Vince has a show on Friday nights, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyld Samurai Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 55 minutes ago, mattdangerously said: Vince has a show on Friday nights, too. Whats it about? 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattdangerously Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 9 minutes ago, Wyld Samurai said: Whats it about? About 2 hours long. 7 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) A group of underpaid, underrepresented athletes with no union and no health care perform dangerous feats to an audience of crew members at the whim of a senile millionaire. There's your "boring description of movie plots" version of it Still too exciting, I know Edited July 17, 2020 by Curt McGirt 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RRR Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 2 hours ago, elizium said: I realize it's not legal everywhere in the states, but is it really that hard to get weed down there? That Mark Felt *eyeroll* tweet got me momentarily excited: "He's their drug dealer" Ooooh tea, let's hear it. "He's been selling weed to wrestlers" Oh, that's a let down, that doesn't even count as drug dealing. Seriously professional wrestlers, there's plenty of people that will give you free weed just for the access of chilling with you for half an hour, you don't need to hit up pedophiles. Fun fact: Florida is a medical Marijuana state. $300 and you can walk in and tell them your back hurts sometimes or that you have stress. A week later you have the card and your choice of dispensary’s, most of which will deliver(mail). Not saying the “burner” is full of shit but it is Twitter. Also those tweets make me glad pots and pans bixenspan is not here anymore. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Cincinnati Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 3 hours ago, Niners Fan in CT said: The #1 rule since 2003 is "when in doubt, blame Vince..." Why start blaming other people now? As a person with the occasional contrarian instinct, I’d do it just to spice things up. MVP starts getting TV time and ratings crater — COINCIDENCE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 6 hours ago, mattdangerously said: Vince has a show on Friday nights, too. Anyone find it unusual that Raw has been on Monday no matter what for it's entire run (except for like one time it was pre-empted by the Dog show and was moved to Thursday) whilst SD has been on Thursday, Friday, Tuesday, back to Friday, probably would have tried Wednesday eventually. Isn't that usually the kiss of death for TV shows, when they wander around in the schedule? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 20 minutes ago, AxB said: Anyone find it unusual that Raw has been on Monday no matter what for it's entire run (except for like one time it was pre-empted by the Dog show and was moved to Thursday) whilst SD has been on Thursday, Friday, Tuesday, back to Friday, probably would have tried Wednesday eventually. Isn't that usually the kiss of death for TV shows, when they wander around in the schedule? Well, Raw hasn't had that many changes in television channels. It moved one time and then moved back to the place where it was entrenched several years prior. If it continually moved from place to place, I doubt it would stay on Monday night unless that particular channel was hard up on decently rated original programming....like USA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 8 hours ago, JonnyLaw said: This talking point isn’t exactly right. AEW decided to run against NXT when it was on the network. In response, WWE was able to move NXT to USA at the same time with a second hour, which had been rumored to be happening for a while, prior to the Dynamite announcement, IIRC. I dont believe it was a reason they chose Wednesday, NXT being running on the Network I dont consider AEW running against them seeing as it isn't on tv. I could be wrong but I believe it had more to do with not running against on nights NFL games are televised and NBA games on TNT. Going up against NXT I dont believe was something put in to consideration. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVA Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Big difference between a show airing live on Wednesday and a taped show that goes up on streaming on Wednesday. I’m betting most people didn’t even watch the old NXT show live. I know I certainly didn’t. That’s the whole deal with streaming: you can watch it anytime. You can’t counterprogram it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Hypothetically, if WWE decided to cut way, way down on the screwjob finishes, ref bumps (and visual falls therein), run ins, wrestlers getting pinned because someone else's music played et cetera, if they just went to clean, decisive finishes and did like one or two screwy deals a year maximum... would that affect the quality or popularity of their TV stuffing instead of potatoes at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 @The Natural posting some memories of Punk/Cena made me think of something. The big narrative in the WWF in the 80s was Hogan vs Monsters. In the late 90s, it was Austin vs McMahon and WCW vs WWF with the idea anything could happen. I think in the 2010s, it was WWE vs the Fans, one of the last big conflicts people could get behind. It was about whether or not they'd really change their plans and make main eventers out of Punk/Bryan. We'd seen Benoit/Guerrero/Rey in the 00s but the pushback there in each case was obvious, punctuated with Rey's title run. For the most part, the fans won. That was pretty much evident in how the Roman stuff went and the long-run push of Rollins as a top guy. He's the sort of person 2013 fans who were rebelling against the product would want on top, a ROH alum workrate guy. That last conflict, however, was pure meta. It wasn't about anything in a narrative. The narrative was the behind-the-scenes workings of the company against the fans. It wasn't some sort of ECW rallying where it was one company and its fans as underdogs against other companies. It was the fans AGAINST the company itself. Not against some corporate overlord (though that was personified in the form of the Authority) but really against the WWE. After you go to that, it seems very hard to come back to some fictional narrative for people to get behind. What sort of fictional feud with Drew Macintyre could be compelling. How can people not just think of it again as "are they really going to book it this way or that way?" as the main narrative thrust instead of what's being presented on screen. WWE vs AEW seems like it could be vaguely compelling but it's such a niche audience for both right now. I think their only real hope is to engage a new generation of fans with different interests. Are the younger AEW fans into the storytelling or are they more into the progressive/throwback hybrid attitude of the promotion? 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, AxB said: Hypothetically, if WWE decided to cut way, way down on the screwjob finishes, ref bumps (and visual falls therein), run ins, wrestlers getting pinned because someone else's music played et cetera, if they just went to clean, decisive finishes and did like one or two screwy deals a year maximum... would that affect the quality or popularity of their TV stuffing instead of potatoes at all? I doubt it. The problem isn't even the screwjob finishes and the rest of the shit you mentioned. The overall production sucks and the stories are even worse. This whole quarantine issue gave them the perfect opportunity to flip everything on it's head and be wild as fuck. Instead it's still the same, overly sterile, dumb product. I always thought the way to go would be to turn Raw or SD into something like Lucha Underground. Hit the reset button and really turn the whole show into a big soap opera about this is where these wrestlers go to work and work is super fucked up. Have interwoven storylines, all sorts of craziness that still made sense so that the show felt unpredictable, and good wrestling matches throughout. Hell, it's the best time to have a figurehead. On the very first quarantine episode you have the wrestlers showing up at the building and milling around in various places. Someone from production tells everyone that they're expected to meet in the ring right now for an important meeting. The next shot is Vince and some others talking things through until the wrestlers show up around the ringside area. Vince then says you're in his world and in his world, he makes the rules. Each of them works for him and they'll do his bidding. To the audience, they don't know any better and figure these people are contracted so Vince isn't wrong. Vince says it's the start of a new era and gold rules. He holds up a new title specifically made for this period. He tells everyone that if you want a seat at the table, you'll run for the gold. That begins a lot of plotting and shit starts turning into something like The Challenge on MTV where people form alliances or factions and there's betrayals along the way. All of this shit would then need to be mapped out from week to week to week with no deviation. Take a long wall in the PC and plot out the entire story with note cards and string pinned to the wall. Of course, none of this would work because as we've all mentioned a million times, Vince has the attention span of a gnat and is surrounded by yes men. It would require Vince to be on air talent only while someone else, not Bruce, and not Heyman, run the show. Instead we got the same old shit that just ages like milk when you don't have an audience or an arena. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spontaneous Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Doesn't help that every hobby is super niche now. There is a streaming service for everything imaginable. Blaxploitation films have their own streaming service, CBS All Access is essentially star trek, we have how many wrestling streaming services? Why watch WWE when you can go elsewhere? I don't watch Raw or Smackdown anymore because I can go watch the style I like. It won't deviate from the set formula until Vince is gone. That could lead to changes no one will like. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoFistsJustFlips Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 I've said this a couple times, but current day WWE is a turn off for me. The presentation has no life. As others have said, over produced super sterile. Perfection is boring. It's the same overly scripted format, with the commentators shouting the same overly repeated specialized Vince language. I grew up on 80s & 90s WWF & WCW. If you showed me the current product back then it would have bored me to tears. The pulse is in the moments of reality that show through. 80s & 90s promos, while yes being directed to tell the story the promoter booked, were largely dudes who created their own characters riffing on the story in their own words. Hulk Hogan didn't say 'sufferin succotash'. Macho Man didn't say 'WWE Universe' 100 times. Ric Flair didn't talk about 'championship opportunities'. Yes wrestling is worked, but it was still real people saying real things that came to their brain. Same with ring work. You'd have agents that just passed on what type of finish to go with, and make sure finishes weren't repeated back then. Now a days you legit have agents scripting what camera to be facing for each big spot, & calling spots through IFBs to the refs who make the wrestlers do those spots whether they want to or not. Now don't get me wrong WWE is making record breaking profits, I get that. But the quality of the shows are the worst of all time. It's cookie cutter guys doing cookie cutter scripted promos, rinse & repeat. Until they drastically overhaul the process they use and the format they force, this is just what WWE is. It's a show at a theme park. The script never changes. Just the employee saying the lines & doing the stunts that day. 6 shows a day. Same thing every time. No life. No art. No pulse. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurningBeard Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 I’m watching Clash of the Champions. Vinnie Vegas (aka peak Kevin Nash) is arm Wrestling Tony Atlas and every time Atlas pushes he makes a noise that is exactly like his laugh... and now I’ve fallen down an Abraham Washington rabbit hole on YT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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