bazzil Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 Where is Fulton attacking Meltzer? I don't see anything on his Twitter like that. As for his defense/non defense of Cornette, heres how it played out. He also challenged Lagana and David Starr to barbed wire cage matches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jaedmc Posted June 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 19, 2020 4 hours ago, Elsalvajeloco said: And I agree with that to a certain extent, but there is definitely a subsection of wrestling fans that believe "too many of our favorites went down today...gotta find the one with the least amount of perceived dirt and defend". This seems especially ingrained in wrestling fans. I've been thinking about all of this, not just your post, and to me the sleaze(sexual misconduct, general perversity) of wrestling has become a part of the institution of wrestling culture - which encapsulates the promoters, performers, and fans. This may not be the case from the 1980's on back, as I believe it really became prevalent after the rise of the shoot interview, and newz sites, when we could hear rumors and tales about the performers real life escapades. It was so salacious that it became an element to the fandom. I'm not just talking about the sleaze here, but the general desire to know about the inner workings of wrestling. People were becoming just as interested in who was a drug addict(Jake Roberts), or who was cheating on whom (Edge/Lita/Hardy) as the comparatively mundane booking issues(Vince can't make up his mind, Charlotte is being pushed too hard, etc.) All of these stories are mixed together so that they have a nearly equal place in the online fandom. For some folks it's no longer enough to enjoy what's on the TV but the drama of the people making what's on the TV. Which is a concept not unique to wrestling per se. Comic Fans want to know who is writing their books before it happens, or Soap Opera Fans have digests about where storylines are going in advance, and what actors are taking time off etc. etc. But for wrestling it seems to go deeper than just "I want to know what's next." Why am I bringing this up here in light of everything going on? I believe this underbelly is part of the attraction now. Not just for some fans, but for wrestlers too. I can't remember the screenwriter's name, but he was telling a story in which he confessed that he was a good guy before he went to Hollywood. Once there he got into the drugs and the women and the madness that comes with Hollywood. But looking back he says that Hollywood didn't corrupt him, but that he went to Hollywood because of the corruption. Why else would you go to Hollywood? A more timely and clearer example would be the examination of police and how their state granted power and immunity attracts a certain type of person looking to abuse those benefits. I believe the same is true of wrestling. I believe some of these wrestlers understood coming in that it was apart of the culture (consciously or subconsciously). That's why it's so easy to get the wrestling community to blacklist and ostracize members who speak up. Even wrestlers who may not have done any of the abuse directly aid those who do because "that's wrestling." The DVDVR Sleaze Thread was legendary as a dirty database of the depravity hidden in wrestling's underbelly. It's telling to me that the guy who started that thread, requesting all the dirty gossip the internet could muster, is now the owner of the second biggest wrestling company in the United States. That is absolutely not to be accusatory, but to reflect how even if Tony Khan is a good guy that even as a fan he has/had a desire to know all the gross details about wrestler's private lives. I've gone down the "who did what with whom" rabbit hole too - few are immune to its perverse allure. Today I scanned the twitter thread on Cornette and several people were commenting on both it and a rumor about Carmella at the same time. "I can't believe Cornette does this and Carmella does that". The rumor about Carmella(I don't feel like repeating it) was based on a misinterpretation of a joke she made on a podcast, but people have continued to speak it as fact while at the same time equating its value to Cornette's wife sexually harassing wrestlers, or the accusations against Matt Riddle. They're responding with silly gifs and jokes because tor these people it's all wrestling. This is the show. So when we come to the phrase you used to describe some fans - "too many of our favorites went down today", I think these people have been drawn to wrestling, and continue to be fans because they know it's a place where this kind of behavior is normalized by the institution of wrestling. If Vince McMahon can be a terrible person without repercussions, if a top drawing wrestler can get a female co-worker fired because she stopped fucking him without repercussions, if a wrestler can be exposed as a bigot and still be rewarded by a company after the fact, then it is going to attract a fanbase who will overlook or even defend the institution in times of moral/ethical crisis. People do not react well to feelings of guilt. I used to love wrestling. I think I still do, but in a very complicated and no longer child-like wonderful way. The more stories I read, and the more I matured as a person, the more I just felt wrong watching some of it - particularly from the WWE, and as we've seen this week it's not just them it's the whole fucking enchilada. I'm glad all this shit is going down. It's the perfect time for a purge of the worst elements of wrestling and to rebuild a better community around it that values accountability more than entertainment. I'm pessimistic that this comes to pass, but it sounds nice to write out. Anyway this was a long post, but I've had all of this kicking around in my head all day and your post was the one that let me figure out how to approach it. 29 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nofuture Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 Looks like WWE's beginning to act: 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 14 minutes ago, bazzil said: Where is Fulton attacking Meltzer? I don't see anything on his Twitter like that. I was one of those "I like Dave but Eric Bischoff is right and he posts crap" type things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Web Conn Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 21 minutes ago, bazzil said: Where is Fulton attacking Meltzer? I don't see anything on his Twitter like that. As for his defense/non defense of Cornette, heres how it played out. He also challenged Lagana and David Starr to barbed wire cage matches The cancer is in remission so he can take bookings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 9 minutes ago, RIPPA said: I was one of those "I like Dave but Eric Bischoff is right and he posts crap" type things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 I am curious to see how Meltzer is going to cover all of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kang Posted June 20, 2020 Author Share Posted June 20, 2020 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 34 minutes ago, nofuture said: Looks like WWE's beginning to act: Didn't even wish him well in his future endeavors, the jerks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 10 minutes ago, TheVileOne said: I am curious to see how Meltzer is going to cover all of this. The Starr situation was the top story this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 6 minutes ago, Pete said: Didn't even wish him well in his future endeavors, the jerks. It will be telling who gets wished well and who doesnt. Wrestling version of Kremlinology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabremike Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 16 minutes ago, TheVileOne said: I am curious to see how Meltzer is going to cover all of this. Something I wish people would understand: Dave is very very VERY careful about what he says. Listen to his WOR podcasts with Alvarez when Alvarez goes on a tirade about something stupid WWE did and Dave is about to say something but stops himself and says nothing. He is not going to just irresponsibly throw things out there on this subject because people are literally having their careers destroyed so you have to be 100% sure of something before mentioning it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kang Posted June 20, 2020 Author Share Posted June 20, 2020 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 6 minutes ago, sabremike said: Something I wish people would understand: Dave is very very VERY careful about what he says. Listen to his WOR podcasts with Alvarez when Alvarez goes on a tirade about something stupid WWE did and Dave is about to say something but stops himself and says nothing. He is not going to just irresponsibly throw things out there on this subject because people are literally having their careers destroyed so you have to be 100% sure of something before mentioning it. We shall see. I will be curious about how he approaches it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiji Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 He handled the Elgin story from a few years ago with silence, did he not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 The last thing Meltzer needs is people suing him, so he probably needs to be iron clad about some of the things he reports. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 Honestly, that story jaedmc shared sounds rather ominous and alarming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 Goddamnit. My heart broke for Allie Kat, and now another one of my favorites has a story for this. Fuck, man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 BTW - just for frame a reference regarding the WWE and how they are feeling towards Matt Riddle (and the allegations) Basically the first hour of Smackdown was devoted to him (Yes - taped show and all that but... yeah) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 My thoughts exactly. It'll have to be something big for him to get the treatment Gallagher just got, and then it'll be some "we scrubbed the tapes" shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 nb: If you don't know the name, this is Jamie Senegal: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 (edited) Rockstar Pro ended their relationship with the OI4K Wrestling Academy and Dave Crist, and replacing it is a much better school: one ran by Zachary Wentz and Kimber Lee. Velveteen Dream: Edited June 20, 2020 by Casey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raziel Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 good, perhaps someday Impact will end their relationship with them as well 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Cincinnati Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 Earlier in the conversation @AxB posted: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Cincinnati Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 I considered posting this in the Impact thread because it feels like it's spiraling off into something other than what this space is intended for. Please move if I'm in the wrong part of the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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