odessasteps Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 (edited) I am saddened to hear his dislike of Red Dead. Edited May 25, 2020 by odessasteps 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWolf&Subs Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 Noooooo, Rusev, noooooooo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarheel Moneghetti Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 Alexa Bliss is trending on Twitter. Apparently, she's involved in some sort of dustup with a Youtuber. https://www.forbes.com/sites/alfredkonuwa/2020/05/25/wwe-superstars-call-out-wrestling-media-personality-for-harsh-comments-about-alexa-bliss/#4d21ada63250 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Cincinnati Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 For anyone who doesn't want to click the link, here's the tweet that kicked things off: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWolf&Subs Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 (edited) I give him 3 years before he’s a writer for the WWE. Given all the stuff I’ve heard about Russo recently, and how he got his job. Edit: Actually this feels like a work. Alexa’s tweet comes off as in character. Edited May 25, 2020 by LoneWolf&Subs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarheel Moneghetti Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 (edited) 53 minutes ago, LoneWolf&Subs said: Edit: Actually this feels like a work. Alexa’s tweet comes off as in character. What? You don’t believe Lexi Kaufman normally walks around saying things like “How dare you, sir”?’ i’m assuming it is not a work but the tweet isn’t worded like something i’d expect a real person to say in 2020. Edited May 25, 2020 by Tarheel Moneghetti Typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SorceressKnight Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 To claim "did NXT make difference makers?" is a hard road to claim as well. To say "no, NXT didn't have anything to do with making this star" is to say "the star could have been signed, the day after their signing plopped on the main roster in an immediate main event angle, and absolutely nothing would have changed." Of the NXT wrestlers the only wrestlers who could have done that were Drew McIntyre and Shinsuke Nakamura- and as I said, in McIntyre's case some reps as a main eventer needed to happen to make it possible to see him as a main event player and not a failed experiment. Even then, though, if the people NXT made don't count as difference makers, it just shows another problem: If just making top names doesn't make a difference maker, then you have to accept that being a true difference maker is effectively random. NO ONE can make a difference maker, because ultimately the only people who'll make a difference are people who attract the attention of non-fans (not even a smark vs. casual debate, but who makes someone who has no interest in wrestling say "I want to see what this person's about.') Looking at the people who did that- there's no common thread except their own success. There was blue-chip prospects like Rock and journeymen like Austin, there were wrestlers who could be considered one of the best on the planet like Daniel Bryan and wrestlers who didn't know a wristlock from a wristwatch like Hogan, wrestlers who were rising stars taken over the top like Punk and people at the tail end of their career like Cena...there is no one formula to determine who will change the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinit Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 I think if we replaced "NXT" with "WWE Performance Centre" the conversation would be a little clearer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peck Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 WWE may be going the AEW route having some PC members and NXTers in the crowd starting tonight. https://www.f4wonline.com/wwe-news/report-nxt-pc-talent-acting-fans-wwe-raw-smackdown-311801 Quote According to a Fightful story Monday, members of both the NXT roster and WWE Performance Center will be in the crowd acting as fans for both Raw and SmackDown, the first time they have done so since the pandemic shows at the Performance Center began. If accurate, tonight's Raw will be the first show in which they are in the stands as they embark on a three-day taping stretch. The "audience members" will be kept off camera intentionally, according to an internal memo Fightful acquired, but will be used to create a better environment. Aside from keeping people off camera, that would follow what AEW has been doing with Dynamite, Dark, and this past Saturday's Double or Nothing at both Daily's Place in Jacksonville, FL, and the Norcross, GA, tapings. Our Bryan Alvarez confirmed they were considering talent and staff in the crowd for NXT, but the final decision was to be made by Vince McMahon so nothing was set in stone until it actually happens. It's unknown whether the audience members will also be present for NXT as well. The Fightful report detailed that the aforementioned talents were screened for COVID-19 this morning at an offsite location and transported back and forth to the PC. They also mentioned that Dominik Dijakovic, Chelsea Green, Shotzi Blackheart, and Jessamyn Duke are among those expected to be participating. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVA Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 4 minutes ago, Infinit said: I think if we replaced "NXT" with "WWE Performance Centre" the conversation would be a little clearer. I definitely think there has to be a distinction between talent that is genuinely *developed* by the NXT/Performance Center system and experienced talent that already knows what they’re doing but gets shined up by being pushed on NXT TV. Because these are very different things. Going back to Asuka for an example, NXT didn’t develop her, but she clearly benefitted from being pushed as an ace on NXT for a year prior to going to the main roster. (That said, there doesn’t really seem to be an consistency, as far as “push on NXT=you’re instantly over on the main roster.” Plenty of pushed NXT acts are met lukewarmly on the main roster.) I think the issue, long-term, is that if you look at the recent history of NXT, their “success” stories have come far more from the latter category than the former (especially on the men’s side). So...what’s the point of throwing huge amounts of money into the actual developmental system if it’s not working? There’s a significant problem with developmental that’s being covered over by all the Indy signings they’ve done over the past few years. And you have to lay that at the feet of the guy who engineered the whole thing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChesterCopperpot Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 Jericho was 49 years, 6 months and 13 days old when he wrestled on Friday night. When Hogan fought Rock at Mania 18 - he was 48 years, 7 months and 6 days old. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 Hopefully this spells the end for JD From NY. That mark has a huge following.. disgraceful that any fan would want to be aligned with him and his channels. There are way too many "JD's" in the wrestling community. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWolf&Subs Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 23 minutes ago, Peck said: WWE may be going the AEW route having some PC members and NXTers in the crowd starting tonight. https://www.f4wonline.com/wwe-news/report-nxt-pc-talent-acting-fans-wwe-raw-smackdown-311801 WWE are nothing but an AEW rip-off now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 4 minutes ago, LoneWolf&Subs said: WWE are nothing but an AEW rip-off now. This is a good move though. I've wanted them to do this for a while. Just a little bit of noise makes a huge difference.. plus, the way AEW has had the fans interact with the talent Pineapple Pete and all that, it's great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 I remember back in '06-'07 People were saying that Finlay was Vince's favorite wrestler at the time and that he would've gotten a World title run if it wasn't for his age. Finlay is one of my all time favorites and I wish he had a run. It never appeared to me that he was 50 or close to it at the time. Looking back, especially after watching the Taker Documentary, he was light years ahead of where HHH and Taker have been in the past 5 years as workers. It's bad enough that both Taker and Hunter get to work 25 to 35 minutes or more for the matches they do have where they are quickly blown up and have to resort to melodrama for storytelling. Finlay was working a full time schedule and never seemed out of place, in fact he was steps ahead of everyone and made Batista, Lashley and guys like that better worker being in the ring with them. His ECW title run was cool atleast 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 Bock was almost 52 when he had one of the best matches of all time that just happened to be an hour long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yo-Yo's Roomie Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 I'd love to see someone way more knowledgeable than me have a bash at a 'Greatest Wrestler at Every Age', going from like 16 to 60 or something. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 16 minutes ago, Yo-Yo's Roomie said: I'd love to see someone way more knowledgeable than me have a bash at a 'Greatest Wrestler at Every Age', going from like 16 to 60 or something. 16? Might as well go down to 9 for Riho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Dave Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 6 hours ago, MavsFan77 said: So none of the people on this list are difference makers? Roman Reigns Bray Wyatt Big E Otis (who I don’t consider a main eventer, but still) Baron Corbin Seth Rollins Drew McIntyre Bayley Sasha Banks Charlotte Flair Asuka Becky Lynch Because all of them were successful in NXT, and have been featured in prominent roles (and in most cases are draws) on WWE tv. But yeah he’s not created difference makers. Okay. Most of them were in FCW, or had some other experience. The rebuttal to my argument is Alexa Bliss. The nXt system found her, trained her, and are making piles of money with her. But nXt didn't have a thing in the world to do with anyone on this list except Baron Corbin. Big E came from nXt tanked, and needed a page one rewrite to keep his job. He's phenomenal now, but that had nothing to do with his time in nXt. Sasha has done zero on the main roster except botch moves and complain. Charlotte would've been a star either way. She's too good an athlete not to be. Seth Rollins is an abomination, but he was a big name in ROH before nXt had anything to do with him. I don't know enough about Asuka before she got to nXt to comment one way or another, but if anything the amount of time she spent in nXt delayed her making a difference on a tv show that matters. Drew had to get away from HHH to become a star. Bayley & Becky had the indy experience to keep their head above water if they'd been sent straight to a show that matters. I understand that in certain circles it's blasphemy to speak ill of Daddy H and his little troupe of go getters in Tampa, but the vast majority of his chosen ones die on the vine because away from nXt they just aren't that great. The list of talent you provided is...exhaustive, for sure, but fewer eyes are watching the product than ever and current nXt tv is embarrassingly awful. It's unwatchable dogshit. Keith Lee, Ciampa, Dijakovic, and Velveteen Dream have a chance on the main roster. The rest are kidding themselves about making a difference anywhere but the developmental brand. nXt has failed to develop new stars, in that people generally watch stars. Ratings are abysmal. The product is trash (with a few exceptions). That's on HHH. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Dave Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 Also, that JDfromNY guy has made a living off of saying horrifying things about Alexa Bliss and Nia Jax, amongst others. At the risk of sounding like a dick, my theory is that these empowered women remind him of all the girls who have told him "no" over the years. Dude is pushing 40 and has nothing but an angry podcast emanating from a closet. Fuck that dude. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, just drew said: Also, that JDfromNY guy has made a living off of saying horrifying things about Alexa Bliss and Nia Jax, amongst others. At the risk of sounding like a dick, my theory is that these empowered women remind him of all the girls who have told him "no" over the years. Dude is pushing 40 and has nothing but an angry podcast emanating from a closet. Fuck that dude. This is all true but the sad part is he won't just go away because he has 100K YouTube followers. Hopefully this is the nail in his platform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 17 minutes ago, just drew said: Sasha has done zero on the main roster except botch moves and complain. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Dave Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 10 minutes ago, Niners Fan in CT said: I forgot the good match Ronda carried her to. Thanks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ka-to Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 1 hour ago, odessasteps said: 16? Might as well go down to 9 for Riho. I'll give her 9 through 12. Some other notable youngsters were Tsukushi at 12, Rey Mysterio Jr. at 14, Bull Nakano and Katsuhiko Nakajima both at 15. Probably a bunch of young Mexicans. Great Kojika probably takes 73 through 76. The future will tell if Fujiwara or Fujinami can be better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 Not taking the bait, TY I'm hearing.. forget where I read it that they do not want to show the audience on RAW. Are they concerned that someone could be the next Pineapple Pete? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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