Dolfan in NYC Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 For what it's worth, Bray and Braun is at least a relatively fresh matchup. Eh. I do want Cesaro & Daniel Bryan to go 30+ next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SorceressKnight Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Still a disappointing show for WWE. WWE has a state of the art training facility that can make great new talents and polish up top stars very well, with very good success for a wrestling school. It runs a number of shows in Florida that fine tune gimmicks and helps polish new stars to get them ready for a more national audience. And then you have NXT- their finishing school for developmental stars, a popular show that can make big cult followings for talents and get people truly ready for the next step to make them as big of stars as they could possibly be. I guess what I'm saying is...there were many, many checks and balances in place that should have made it so we would never have to say the words "WWE Superstar Gunner", and yet somehow, here we are. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarheel Moneghetti Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 I'm amused that, with all it's talent and it's own training facility, WWE manages to churn out empty arena shows that are 10 times more lifeless than mid-200's IWA-MS shows which were horribly shot and produced, and sometimes had maybe ten people in the audience. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Ha. The segment with Bayley/Sasha/Tamina was entertaining. I liked Bray and Braun too but it might be another "too soon" situation for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eivion Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Kabuki Warriors vs. BlissCross rematch was pretty good once again. Thought the segment backstage for Dana and Carmella gettign their shot was decent enough. The Dirt Sheet segment was decent enough. The Tamina/Sasha/Bayley segment was almost surprisingly decent. I don't recall Tamina being passable on the mic at all before, but she did fine here. The Bray/Braun segment was good but definitely too early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordi the former AEW fan Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Do you think that at some point during the HHH Celebration, that there might be a cake? If so, I have a totally original idea: Someone should get thrown... get this... OMG it would be so funny... someone should get thrown *into* the cake!! Could you imagine? That would be some hilarious and groundbreaking comedy that would shock everyone and never get old. I'm so excited about this idea that I am going to go and cross-post it everywhere. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarChief EagleDemon Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Hopefully there's going to be a time when the complete silences when everyone stops talking/bumping/stomping around isn't completely jarring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenyabaxterZXW Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerva Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Seriously the Forgotten Sons are on the main roster now? Man they are a boring act to me. Maybe they will end up being like Lacey Evans or Braun and will get better and most interesting but at least the 2 I mentioned had months of house shows to get that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarheel Moneghetti Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, hammerva said: Seriously the Forgotten Sons are on the main roster now? Man they are a boring act to me. Maybe they will end up being like Lacey Evans or Braun and will get better and most interesting but at least the 2 I mentioned had months of house shows to get that way. I'm glad you told me Lacey Evans has gotten more interesting. I seriously had no idea that was the case. Edited April 11, 2020 by Tarheel Moneghetti 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerva Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Fair enough. I think I meant more people who did almost nothing in NXT and became bigger stars. I guess a better example would have been a Alexa Bliss or a Carmella Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 It's a perfect time for Hunter's celebration as they don't have to micromanage the crowd response even though these days itd be far better than his last send off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MORELOCK Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 They have an opportunity if they play their cards right to make Forgotten Sons the tag team version of Corbin - naturally and organically over as heels because there's an irrational hatred towards them for being "Vince type guys" instead of indy darlings. This is, of course, based almost entirely on the former Gunner. If Cutler and Blake had been pushed as a duo from the outset, I'd bet on them getting less hate and being called up sooner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVA Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 They look more like HHH type guys than Vince type guys. SCRAGGLY BEARDS AND LEATHER VESTS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SorceressKnight Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 32 minutes ago, MORELOCK said: They have an opportunity if they play their cards right to make Forgotten Sons the tag team version of Corbin - naturally and organically over as heels because there's an irrational hatred towards them for being "Vince type guys" instead of indy darlings. This is, of course, based almost entirely on the former Gunner. If Cutler and Blake had been pushed as a duo from the outset, I'd bet on them getting less hate and being called up sooner. Well, even then that's the big weakness. Outside of the fact that "upon closer inspection, Jaxson Ryker is still TAFKA Gunner", on paper the Forgotten Sons would possibly have more of a chance. Steve Cutler was never BAD, per se- forgettable as hell, but never good or bad enough to make you take notice either way (which, combined with how long the was in developmental, is perfectly cromulent for "okay. Go to the main roster, sink or swim")...and even beyond that level, there's at least a fair reason to believe Wesley Blake could genuinely be a diamond in the rough (Blake and Murphy were a solid team, with neither one of the two being noticeably better than the other, and since Buddy Murphy's managed to do very well since going to the main roster, it's not implausible to assume Blake could be pretty good on the main roster as well.) Indeed, if it wasn't for Gunner sinking the whole thing, it's "fair enough." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 I'm not convinced Corbin has any heat except change the channel heat. I don't know about a smackdown, but when he was on RAW, every time they announced he was in the main event, the next day the reports were "the third hour dropped significantly more than usual" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spontaneous Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Mine as well just bring them up at this point and see if they work better on Smackdown. They never fit in NXT's current set up. Not everyone has to be a main event caliber team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVA Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 I think the consensus on the Sons is that they’re solid hands who are well respected by other wrestlers but lack the charisma or star presence to ever connect with fans. Blake alone has had so many chances. My guess is they got the call up because they needed a heel team to replace The Revival, and NXT didn’t have anything for them, so they were a logical fill-in. I doubt there are any real plans for them, at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MORELOCK Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 13 minutes ago, EVA said: Blake alone has had so many chances. Has he? It's pretty much just the two tag teams, and it's not like the Sons got much of a push. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVA Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 16 minutes ago, MORELOCK said: Has he? It's pretty much just the two tag teams, and it's not like the Sons got much of a push. He had two (brief) singles runs that bookended the team with Murphy. The one after their split was really pretty sad and I felt bad for him. I think the Sons were given more opportunities than you remember. They went to the finals of the 2019 Dusty Classic. They had shots at the tag titles, including a showcase ladder match at a Takeover. Speaking of which, after the Street Profits won the belts there, the Sons went around the horn with them on the house show circuit. You’d think if they were generating any kind of traction at all in those matches (against a red hot baby face act), then that would’ve led to more TV time for them, but it didn’t, which probably tells you a lot. At a certain point, you’ve just got to produce results or the opportunities dry up, which is the situation they’ve been in for the last while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StretchMediatedHypertrophy Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Just saying.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVA Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Like I said, respected dudes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarheel Moneghetti Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 30 minutes ago, EVA said: He had two (brief) singles runs that bookended the team with Murphy. The one after their split was really pretty sad and I felt bad for him. I think the Sons were given more opportunities than you remember. They went to the finals of the 2019 Dusty Classic. They had shots at the tag titles, including a showcase ladder match at a Takeover. Speaking of which, after the Street Profits won the belts there, the Sons went around the horn with them on the house show circuit. You’d think if they were generating any kind of traction at all in those matches (against a red hot baby face act), then that would’ve led to more TV time for them, but it didn’t, which probably tells you a lot. At a certain point, you’ve just got to produce results or the opportunities dry up, which is the situation they’ve been in for the last while. What is the Sons' gimmick anyway? I've asked this before and never gotten a definitive answer. I thought they were supposed to be bikers, but that doesn't seem to be the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyLaw Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 They’re former vets who have been forgotten by their country. Gunner almost never wrestled (Especially after that time they apparently had to refill a finish two or three times) and is basically just a manager, so it’s not like he’s ruining things left and right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVA Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 6 minutes ago, Tarheel Moneghetti said: What is the Sons' gimmick anyway? I've asked this before and never gotten a definitive answer. I thought they were supposed to be bikers, but that doesn't seem to be the case. Like a great many latter day NXT gimmicks, it’s really ill-defined (quick, what was Sanity about?). When Ryker initially joined, they leaned into his and Cutler’s military background, making it almost like a team of surly, disillusioned vets. They even had Lacy Evans paired with them on the house shows for a while. But I guess somebody decided that wasn’t a good look for a company that does so much work with the military, and that has been HEAVILY de-emphasized, to the point that you wouldn’t know it unless you were really tuned into developmental. They have been the epitome of Just Some Guys ever since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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