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21 minutes ago, Southside Jim said:

Raise your hand if this is the first time you've heard of Step Stool Sarah.

(Seriously, that ring name sounds like a weird BDSM fetish gimmick.)

I saw her one time while checking stuff on IWTV and was curious about her though didn't know her name.  It's a weird gimmick name though that's for sure.

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Rewatching Matt Taven vs. Tracy Williams, has there ever been a worse announcing team than Ian Riccaboni, Colt Cabana, and Jay Lethal?

 

Lethal and Cabana desperately trying to talk over each other, and Riccaboni with his forced "bombastic" announcing.  And Jay does not have a future in announcing ahead of him when he finally retires.

 

Honestly, I would rather listen to Bruce Prichard, Mike McGuirk, and Pete Doherty call a match than these three.

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Announce team content? Ok, let's old school it:

Best Announce Team: Short lived and obscure, but the most fun I've ever had listening to announcers talk was Gordon Solie & Lord Steven Regal on WCW Worldwide.

Worst Announce Team: WWE's gets progressively worse as Vince adds more foibles and bans more phrases, forces people to repeat taglines over and over. Also a lot of their announcers are legitimately awful people (except Mauro). So some sort of Lawler/ Graves/ Layfield / Ranallo/ Cole combination would be the worst.

Most Overrated Announce Team: Lots of people have fond memories of the Ross & Lawler duo. False memory syndrome. They sucked the whole time.

Most Underrated Announce Team: Schiavone & Ventura. Tony was really good before he became a Monday Night Wars overseller. Jesse was always good with any partner, but his WWF era partners like Gorilla and Vince were pretty annoying and not as much fun as Tony.

Honourable Mentions: Personally, I never could get into Bobby Heenan. Probably because the first time I heard him it was in WCW and he was clearly only there for the paycheck at that point. Seemed bored and lazy, when he was sober. But loads of you lads grew up on him and have fond memories, so I'll give him an honourable mention to acknowledge his existence. 

Kent Walton and Joey Styles were both best as solo announcers, not as part of announce teams. Although Joey outed himself as a massive cunt eventually. Kent Walton didn't. He just became a softcore porn producer instead. 

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A lot of WWE announcers are legitimately awful people? What the hell are you talking about? The only one you could really make the case for is Lawler. 

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Joey Styles was atrocious.

If you are going to discredit everyone's work based on things they've done, said or believe outside of the ring (as you seem to be doing), then pro-wrestling may not be the thing for you.

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https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/tv/a32236195/wwe-wrestlers-coronavirus-essential-business/

Esquire article on WWE's goings-on around Covid-19. The author interviewed Deonna Purrazzo and David Starr. Not much in there that folks here won't know, but it's mainstream coverage of the company that is very critical of the company's handling of this situation.

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7 hours ago, MORELOCK said:


Cornette's many rants about outlaw mudshow wrestling are almost always caused by someone trying to get that reaction out of him by showing him the latest dumb wrestling "controversy." So yes, someone gets off on sending him these things because they enjoy the ranting. I don't know if anyone like that posts here - the two schools of thought that seem to exist here are "Fuck out-of-touch Cornette for not liking Kenny Omega's matches" and "Cornette is extremely knowledgeable and entertaining when he finally stops ranting."

Getting Cornette to talk shit about you is also fantastic marketing for indie wrestlers - I don't know if WWE ever signs Lio Rush without that stupid ladder no-sell video.

This is maybe only a bit tangentially related, but it hurts inside so bad when he says "outlaw mudshow" like it's fucking Angelo Poffo in 1976... I respect Cornette, but I hear him use that term and it's like, dude, you gonna complain about your VCR or record player next?

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44 minutes ago, MORELOCK said:

A lot of WWE announcers are legitimately awful people? What the hell are you talking about? The only one you could really make the case for is Lawler. 

You think Layfield and Graves are good people?

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Just now, Zakk_Sabbath said:

This is maybe only a bit tangentially related, but it hurts inside so bad when he says "outlaw mudshow" like it's fucking Angelo Poffo in 1976... I respect Cornette, but I hear him use that term and it's like, dude, you gonna complain about your VCR or record player next?

I just started back listening to Corny, and he even brought up having someone fight at the back of a high school. On top of that, he admitted trying to do an angle at some mall. Is all of that not mudshow shit? Granted, it's Smokey Mountain and the amount of real venues in that area is finite so it's some old ass arena where you're probably going to struggle selling tickets, paying like ten bucks to run some high school auditorium, or bust.

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Layfield has been magically rehabilitated because he donated some money to charity or some shit iirc

I kind of liked Heenan not giving a fuck in WCW? Idk it became increasingly obvious he was justified in not giving a fuck and he always seemed to perk up a bit and talk about how much he respected guys like Malenko and Guerrero when they were up
 

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WWE filed to oppose trademark applications from AEW Executive VP Cody Rhodes. Slamboree and The Match Beyond.

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5 minutes ago, AxB said:

You think Layfield and Graves are good people?


I think calling someone a "good" or "bad" person based on some rumors you heard is enough reason to discount your entire post. You clearly aren't objectively rating commentators if you're talking about Graves fucking around on his ex-wife or whatever your problem is. And again: until everyone is ready to rake Edge, Benoit, and Noble over the coals for their bullying, no one really needs to spend any more time wagging their finger at JBL. The hate is absurdly overblown, and still has more to do with Eddy than anything else. WWE commentary is garbage, but it has nothing to do with the personal lives of the commentators.

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I agree with Schiavone and Ventura being underrated. They were really good together. Tony’s WWF run wasn’t bad short lived but not bad.

I’ve been watching Saturday Night on The Network lately well WCW 92 as a whole and I gotta say Ventura and Ross were a good team too. 

JR and Heyman in 01 is very overlooked too.

I think the best pairing based on The 92 Rumble Match alone is Gorilla and Brain.

My personal fav’s from growing up watching SmackDown world be Michael Cole and Tazz. I would put Cole and JBL up there too. 

My guilty pleasure is Mike Tenay and Don West.

The Worse is what ever is on Raw. WWE commentary has been awful for a decade at least. 

That 3 man team from Raw in the Fall of 05 within Joey King and Coach was really bad.

As for AEW The 3 Dynamites with just Jim and Excalibur I thought Jim was in top form without Tony. Jim does batter with one other person. Tony can commentate with anyone. Excalibur too. Taz fits in better with as the third mic on Dynamite then JR does.

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9 minutes ago, MORELOCK said:


I think calling someone a "good" or "bad" person based on some rumors you heard is enough reason to discount your entire post. You clearly aren't objectively rating commentators if you're talking about Graves fucking around on his ex-wife or whatever your problem is. And again: until everyone is ready to rake Edge, Benoit, and Noble over the coals for their bullying, no one really needs to spend any more time wagging their finger at JBL. The hate is absurdly overblown, and still has more to do with Eddy than anything else. WWE commentary is garbage, but it has nothing to do with the personal lives of the commentators.

If it's any consolation Benoit is being raked over the coals right as we speak (literally).

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OK fine. Corey Graves, whatever you feel about him personally, is a terrible commentator because he constantly strives to put himself over, at the expense of the match he is calling.

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12 minutes ago, AxB said:

OK fine. Corey Graves, whatever you feel about him personally, is a terrible commentator because he constantly strives to put himself over, at the expense of the match he is calling.

Every thread would be a sleaze thread if we felt the need to discuss people's personal lives whenever they were brought up. 🤷🏻‍♂️

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1 hour ago, Firebreaker Chip said:

I kind of liked Heenan not giving a fuck in WCW? Idk it became increasingly obvious he was justified in not giving a fuck and he always seemed to perk up a bit and talk about how much he respected guys like Malenko and Guerrero when they were up
 

Bobby gets a thumbs up for me for making calls like the “Tongan Tornado and Bongo-Barian” during a random Worldwide FOF vs. Public Enemy match.

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I'm not a fan of Joey Styles as an announcer. His voice irritates me. 

Like, to the point that he detracts from a lot of the stuff in ECW that I do enjoy. 

Kent Walton was awesome, though. 

I'm also going to admit that I'm not the biggest Gordon Solie fan. He's fine and all, but I don't get "great" from him as people seem to think of him. 

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6 minutes ago, Edwin said:

Every thread would be a sleaze thread if we felt the need to discuss people's personal lives whenever they were brought up. 🤷🏻‍♂️

So who is your favourite commentator, man?

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