Southside Jim Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 8 hours ago, MORELOCK said: But we all have the full story on every wrestler because Meltzer, right? He (and Cornette) still sings the praises of Dick Murdoch, ignoring the whole KKK thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RRR Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 20 minutes ago, Southside Jim said: I don't want to turn this into a "people are allowed to like different styles of wrestling" argument, but honest question: How many of the fans who boo Roman are workrate fanatics who boo Roman becuase he doesn't have the move set of Okada, Omega, Sanada, Moxley, Young Bucks, etc.? His two big moves are the super simplistic jumping punch to the face and a jumping shoulderblock to the chest. Would people cheer him more if he started doing Buckshot Lariats, Stormbreakers, etc? Didn’t work for Cena. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 21 minutes ago, Sammo~! said: So did Florida declare wrestling essential or just WWE? Any national sporting event, including wrestling, so long as it's not in front of a live audience and it's broadcast on TV nationally. That means no regional sports. AEW would certainly fit that category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWolf&Subs Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 Who did Teijo Khan blow to get booked as a promoted talent in the 80’s? This guy didn’t even have the look to be taken seriously as a potential star. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiji Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 29 minutes ago, Southside Jim said: I don't want to turn this into a "people are allowed to like different styles of wrestling" argument, but honest question: How many of the fans who boo Roman are workrate fanatics who boo Roman becuase he doesn't have the move set of Okada, Omega, Sanada, Moxley, Young Bucks, etc.? His two big moves are the super simplistic jumping punch to the face and a jumping shoulderblock to the chest. Would people cheer him more if he started doing Buckshot Lariats, Stormbreakers, etc? I doubt this is the case. The Punk interview and how they've booked him killed him. Plus he's just a fine/pretty good promo and an uninteresting character for the most part. He looks cool and is good in the ring. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thee Reverend Axl Future Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 13 minutes ago, Zartan said: Didn’t work for Cena. I mildly disagree. When Cena started doing springboard maneuvers and would throw more "Modern" moves into the mix he pacified a big segment of his "smart"/online critics - not because of the moves, but because he showed he "got it" and was in on the work/joke. He expressed his (always there) self-depreciation. Cena is over with the vast majority of the fans, who are casual, young and not-supersmart. I would venture that Cena was the face of modern wrestling and more over - but not as mainstream famous - as Hogan. - RAF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyld Samurai Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 Roman is solid in the ring - and his best work has been against AJ Styles so far. He is the absolute best as a punching bag. The WWE style is to have as few moves as possible. What Roman lacks is the ability to connect with the audience. We haven't really seen that yet. He checks all the boxes but the most important one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinit Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 12 minutes ago, LoneWolf&Subs said: Who did Teijo Khan blow to get booked as a promoted talent in the 80’s? This guy didn’t even have the look to be taken seriously as a potential star. He was a big, mean looking dude. Perfectly fine as mid card muscle. Not everyone is meant to be a main eventer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWolf&Subs Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 (edited) It’s just honestly how you book your face. Look what happened with Adam Page when they booked him too strong at the start as potentially the young face of the company. He didn’t get the Roman reaction at the time, but it was getting there until they pulled his push back. From there he had to get himself over with ring work, and a new character quirk. I think we’ve gotten into it in the past how the WWE likes to book their faces with Heel-ish tendencies. That’s just something they’ve done since Hogan. Which I’ve read was actually Hogan who really started that when he got creative control of his character. Creative has been sort of off, and on with that kind of character. More on in recent years since those guys definitely grew up during that era. Edited April 14, 2020 by LoneWolf&Subs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thee Reverend Axl Future Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, nofuture said: That kid is the perfect age group for that style of wrestling. Now show me a rugrat doing some Memphis-style stalling or wielding a Mr. Pogo style sickle or milking an entrance like Ric Flair, and I will be impressed. - RAF Edited April 14, 2020 by thee Reverend Axl Future fixing the formatting because the COVID-19 quarantine is driving me battier than usual 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWolf&Subs Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Infinit said: He was a big, mean looking dude. Perfectly fine as mid card muscle. Not everyone is meant to be a main eventer. Yeah but there were like other guys who were way bigger than him. Heck there were job guys who were probably way bigger than him, and more coordinated who should’ve gotten a look before he did. Edited April 14, 2020 by LoneWolf&Subs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thee Reverend Axl Future Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, LoneWolf&Subs said: Yeah but there were like other guys who were way bigger than him. Heck there were job guys who were probably way bigger than him, and more coordinated. who should’ve gotten a look before he did. This has been a mystery to me as well. If we found out he was gym buddies with a main-eventer or had the same trainer as the booker. He was even more useless than The Warlord. - RAF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWolf&Subs Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 (edited) At least Warlord had a good match with Bulldog. Is there a sacred Teijo Khan match, and promo that made promoters sit up, and pay attention? Edited April 14, 2020 by LoneWolf&Subs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thee Reverend Axl Future Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 He was trained by Eddie Sharkey, so maybe they were waiting for the magic to happen, or maybe it was a job lot. - RAF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWolf&Subs Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 (edited) Okay, you know what? I’ll give him a pass now that I realize he’s a massive mark for Fist of The North Star going by this introduction video... Edited April 14, 2020 by LoneWolf&Subs 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 Part of it is they tried so hard to recreate Daniel Bryan getting beat down every week and getting more over. Which doesn't work for the vast majority of babyfaces. The occasional angle where they get beat up, sure, but if the heel always winds up on top, the heel looks like a badass and the face either weak, dumb, or both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWolf&Subs Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Matt D said: I've been seeing this come up in a lot of mainstream places. Linda was trending earlier because of it. So the same day the Governor wrote in an executive order to allow them to be considered an essential business it was reported Linda McMahon’s super PAC committed 20 million to the state of Florida. So that’s your potential bribe right there. Edited April 14, 2020 by LoneWolf&Subs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Craig H said: Any national sporting event, including wrestling, so long as it's not in front of a live audience and it's broadcast on TV nationally. That means no regional sports. AEW would certainly fit that category. I hope you mean in the former and not the later Meltzer was quite specific in saying that this meant it was open season for the WWE, AEW and UFC (though UFC has the slight harder because of being asked to stop running events by ESPN) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, LoneWolf&Subs said: So that’s your potential bribe right there. FTFY But as anybody who watched Colbert when he was harping about Super PACs remembers, these are just elaborate ways to not call a bribe a bribe, so... Edited April 14, 2020 by Curt McGirt 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWolf&Subs Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 Hey, Titan Lawyers, that was not my official statement! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godfrey Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 (edited) I don't think most fans are even booing Roman, they're booing Vince's boneheaded Fuck You style of booking that Roman unfortunately became the face of. There may be a few who don't like his moves (leaving aside when he pulls out Black Tiger Bombs and the like) but the root issue was never Reigns himself, it was the WWE's inability to adapt to what the fans wanted. There's been a narrative that the audience is in the wrong here, that we were too demanding or didn't appreciate Roman enough but the truth is if they hadn't stubbornly stayed the course for years while the audience became more and more disenchanted with WWE (because why get invested if it will never be payed off?), he would've been in a far better position then and wouldn't be on the verge of getting booed at Wrestlemania again this year. Should Roman have been The Guy for them? Maybe. But he wasn't, and the fact they didn't roll with that is the real issue, not whether he did enough moonsaults. Edited April 15, 2020 by Godfrey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eivion Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 2 hours ago, Southside Jim said: Momoe is probably my favorite wrestler of the modern era, such a breath of fresh air when she took over as the ace of All Japan Women and then moved on to AtoZ, etc. I wish she had stayed in the biz longer, but good for her. Does she actually train wrestlers, or is she more of a physical fitness trainer? As far as I know she doesn't train any wrestlers. She just shows up occasionally to see friends and do the very rare match. Her last two matches were one-offs years apart. She popped up in a comedy battle royal for Stardom at their No People Gate show last month. 1 hour ago, Wyld Samurai said: What Roman lacks is the ability to connect with the audience. We haven't really seen that yet. He checks all the boxes but the most important one. Huh? Roman was the most over guy in the Shield during their height and has gotten good reactions plenty of times. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 34 minutes ago, RIPPA said: I hope you mean in the former and not the later Meltzer was quite specific in saying that this meant it was open season for the WWE, AEW and UFC (though UFC has the slight harder because of being asked to stop running events by ESPN) Yeah, my wording is very weird on second glance. I didn't think about that at first. You got it though and yeah, I'm going off of what Meltzer was talking about on WOR. I couldn't sit through much of that FL meeting that they had video of and later saw the part where they wound up escorting their Surgeon General out of the room after he said this is going to be a problem for about a year, and that all pissed me off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
For Great Justice Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Curt McGirt said: FTFY But as anybody who watched Colbert when he was harping about Super PACs remembers, these are just elaborate ways to not call a bribe a bribe, so... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Cincinnati Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 2 hours ago, Wyld Samurai said: What Roman lacks is the ability to connect with the audience. We haven't really seen that yet. He checks all the boxes but the most important one. I can give you plenty of examples of Roman connecting with the audience. Not his fault he gets the nuts cut off him with bland or baffling booking at most turns. Also: Wild mixed reactions definitely count as a kind of connection. They're awesome and make for good matches where people seem to have a genuine rooting interest. 1 hour ago, Curt McGirt said: FTFY But as anybody who watched Colbert when he was harping about Super PACs remembers, these are just elaborate ways to not call a bribe a bribe, so... Best work of Colbert's career. I miss that guy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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