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2019-20 NBA: 2nd Half


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36 minutes ago, Zimbra said:

Jesus, NBA, no one wants this.

Besides the fact that nobody wants it, what’s the point? If the next season doesn’t start until December 1st there’s really no point in holding this training camp. Plus how many of the stars (Steph, Trae Young, etc.) are actually gonna show up for such nonsense? 

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At least some of the teams apparently want it. They don't want their players, especially the young ones, going from like March to November without playing. 

It's basically just a glorified summer league.

(None of this should be taken as me thinking it's a good idea.)

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Some days I swear the talking heads should come here, and post their nonsense. Shannon Sharpe on Undisputed today was talking up Lebron and how he’ll drop his patented triple dubs constantly in the playoffs this year. Which made me laugh, then when I looked at the actual numbers it’s even funnier.

Lebron does have the second most triple doubles in playoff history with 23, but it’s also taken him 239 games to get that many. The career leader (Magic Johnson) has 30, and did that in only 190 playoff games. But yeah let’s kiss the “King”s rear end for him. 

Hell Rajon Rondo has 10 in 105 playoff games, so if he’d played the same amount of playoff games as Lebron he’d have more triple doubles (going off of the averages only).

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7 minutes ago, Kuetsar said:

Doesn't the restart have to do with TV $$$? Something having to do with violation of the contracts, or is that just WWE?

Not officially. However a lot of entities are concerned that if they don't fulfill their contracts it will give TV Networks the excuse to drop them... or at least re-negotiate for less money (See why Vince is insisting on never stopping running shows). Again, the networks have said nothing of the sort... public. But I am sure in private, there is some pressure (despite how bad it would look from a PR perspective.)

Regarding the 2nd bubble - take from the full story at ESPN

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The NBA is in deep discussions on a second "bubble" in Chicago for the eight teams that were not invited to play in Florida, enabling them to participate in a mini-training camp and subsequent games against other clubs with a target date of September, sources told ESPN on Thursday.

The details are still being hammered out, and teams continue to push for an alternative plan that would enable them to hold mini-camps within their local markets and to explore the idea of establishing regional sites where teams could scrimmage against each other.

Multiple team sources said union leader Michele Roberts has been steadfast in her insistence that the non-playoff teams follow the same protocol as the 22 teams that will be quarantined in Orlando and competing for the NBA championship. Commissioner Adam Silver supports Roberts on this issue, it was confirmed by those who were on the call.

"Michele has made it clear that's how it's going to be," said one front-office member whose team pushed to create a mini-camp within its own market. "Adam is going along with it. I understand their point, but it's frustrating for us that we can't loosen the restrictions a bit so we can get some work done in our own gyms."

Seven of the eight non-playoff teams participated in a call Thursday with league officials, with the New York Knicks as the lone team without a representative on the call because they were interviewing head-coaching candidates, including Los Angeles Lakers assistant Jason Kidd and San Antonio Spurs assistant Will Hardy, sources told ESPN. On that call, the league sought assurances from teams they will send their players if they move forward with the bubble format, sources told ESPN.

Play would be similar to a summer league format, with the specific parameters still being discussed.

The Atlanta Hawks, Charlotte Hornets, Chicago Bulls, Cleveland Cavaliers, Detroit Pistons, Golden State Warriors, Minnesota Timberwolves and the Knicks were the eight teams not invited to Orlando for the league's restart.

"How they frame it is almost irrelevant to us," one general manager told ESPN. "It's more a chance to get our young guys out there working with some game simulation."

Pistons coach Dwane Casey said he took an informal poll among the coaches who are not in Orlando, and he says the majority of them prefer holding their own mini-camps.

"We'd rather do that than go to the bubble," Casey said, "because unlike those teams in Orlando, we wouldn't be playing for the same reason.

"The reason we want these mini-camps is to get our team together, to have that camaraderie, to improve and enjoy some competition. We feel we can do that safely in our own environment. We can't let these guys sit around from March 11 to December without something. It's going to hurt their careers. It's too long of a layoff."

Some teams have pushed for a two-week delay before signing off on the second bubble, as concerns heighten over the number of NBA players testing positive for the coronavirus and as cases spike in Florida.

"A few of us would like to see how things go in Orlando," one team official told ESPN.

Other teams feel a two-week delay would potentially torpedo chances of the bubble altogether.

"Look how long it's taken to work out all the details for Orlando," one team GM said. "We don't have that kind of time."

The Warriors, who have notable veterans with championship pedigrees, among them Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson and Draymond Green, have agreed to participate if the bubble concept comes to pass, said general manager Bob Myers, although he did not specify who would be on the roster.

"Our position is, 'Let us know what's possible,"' Myers said. "Until we really know, it's hard to say. If we can get the majority of our players to go, and if it's beneficial, then we'll do that. If we can't, we'll take what we can get. This whole thing is about balancing health and safety. From a team standpoint, what solutions check as many boxes as it can?

"One of the things is, you try not to judge. Everybody is right in a certain sense. Whether we pursue the opportunity to get our young players some work in some safe environment locally or in a second bubble, we're in support of the pursuit. Now whether we get there or not is really a health and safety thing."

While it's highly unlikely Curry or Thompson would play in Chicago, there are a number of young players -- such as Hawks star Trae Young and Cavaliers star Collin Sexton -- who would likely welcome the opportunity.

The second bubble will be created at a substantial cost that will be split among the 30 teams, sources confirmed to ESPN.

The idea to provide the eight non-playoff teams with options to play arose out of concern that the long layoff would adversely impact young players whose ongoing development is critical to their franchises. Most teams did favor a mini-camp within their own market and then a week or two of games against other NBA clubs.

Roberts pushed back, insisting it was not fair to treat 22 teams one way, with stringent daily testing, quarantine requirements and personal sacrifice, and allow the other eight teams to design their own rules.

One general manager reported his players were actually relieved to learn their bubble would also require daily testing, like in Orlando.

The NBA has discussed setting up the bubble in Chicago with approximately two weeks of practice, then four games for each team. Participation in the bubble would be voluntary, sources said.

"You probably won't see Blake Griffin and guys like that," one GM said, "but I bet some veterans will show. These guys miss basketball. They're itching to play."

On Thursday, Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot issued an Emergency Travel Order, effective Monday, directing travelers entering or returning to Chicago from states experiencing a surge in new COVID-19 cases to quarantine for a period of 14 days. The quarantine covers Alabama, Arkansas, Arizona, California, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, Nevada, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas and Utah.

 

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Oladipo won't be playing in Orlando, but will be travelling with the team.

Gordon Hayward will be leaving the team when his wife gives birth; she's due in early September. He could still return but will have to quarantine before he'll be able to play or practice.

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While nothing has been official, Thabo gave an interview in French where he said that he knew some of his teammates on the Rockets had Covid, including one he was close to.  So, SPECULATION!

I'm guessing it was Tyson Chandler, which may be scary given his advanced elderly age. 

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43 minutes ago, Greggulator said:

Where can we talk about The Basketball Tournament -- aka, America's Greatest Sporting Event? (And I'm only partially kidding.)

I’d assume if one of us starts a thread for it here that’s acceptable. I started one when Kyrie had his brilliant idea about starting a new league so I don’t see why that wouldn’t be allowed too.

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Alvin Gentry has been approved by the league to travel with the Pelicans to Orlando

Pop and Mike D’Antoni are both still waiting for official approval but both are expected to get it

All three were considered higher risk due to their age (though the league claims no one will be barred just because of their age)

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1 hour ago, Zimbra said:

Stephen Jackson is on IG supporting DeSean Jackson's antisemitic bullshit so that's super disappointing.

This sums up the worst part about it

EDIT - the 2nd tweet is the one I am talking about. Stupid Twitter

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