NikoBaltimore Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 5 hours ago, RIPPA said: For those that haven't seen - the Bryan/Gulak stuff is definitely continuing. I cannot stress enough how absolutely amazing Daniel is in this promo. It gave me chills and while I was planning on seeing this when I get home anyway this increased my excitement ten-fold. Definitely worth watching if you haven't already. Or watch it again because it's that good. As for Shayna I like her a lot but considering she started on Raw full-time by biting Becky's neck I can't say I'm surprised that they screwed things up the way they did last night. And it's not really her fault either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raziel Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 I can count on one hand the people in ALL OF WRESTLING that could pull off keeping the crowd interested the way Shayna was asked to last night. It was not her fault, it was whoever laid out that match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Yes, some of that was on Shayna because her little back and forth with Asuka was not good either. Sorry but it's true. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaedmc Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Best part of the Chamber was after all that build up waiting for Asuka - the buzzer goes off and the ref pulls the door to her left. Asuka wants to go out the door to her right, and waits. The ref yells "OTherside" and Asuka fucking yells back for him to open the right door. That's a performer that knows where the camera is and what looks best, folks. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 17 minutes ago, jaedmc said: Best part of the Chamber was after all that build up waiting for Asuka - the buzzer goes off and the ref pulls the door to her left. Asuka wants to go out the door to her right, and waits. The ref yells "OTherside" and Asuka fucking yells back for him to open the right door. That's a performer that knows where the camera is and what looks best, folks. “Let’s get started” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godfrey Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 This is a total aside but, as someone who dips in and out of WWE these days, can I say what a bummer it is to see where Braun is at right now? He went from being the most over guy in the company as an unstoppable monster, the guy people thought should defeat Brock and possibly be their next big thing (tm), to a dancing fool getting pinned by Sami Zayn. I love Zayn and there were extenuating circumstances but come on, that's a bungling of huge proportions. Maybe he wasn't ready for it and they made the right choice but given what kind of matches they expect out of their top champions I'm sure they could have hidden any flaws or inexperience. It's a shame. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 2 hours ago, Godfrey said: This is a total aside but, as someone who dips in and out of WWE these days, can I say what a bummer it is to see where Braun is at right now? He went from being the most over guy in the company as an unstoppable monster, the guy people thought should defeat Brock and possibly be their next big thing (tm), to a dancing fool getting pinned by Sami Zayn. I love Zayn and there were extenuating circumstances but come on, that's a bungling of huge proportions. Maybe he wasn't ready for it and they made the right choice but given what kind of matches they expect out of their top champions I'm sure they could have hidden any flaws or inexperience. It's a shame. Some of it is injuries as Braun has had pushes stalled at least twice due to elbow injuries. Some of it has definitely been weird booking decisions. Like the year they held him back from a Mania match in case they needed him to be in the Main Event and then it became too late and so they did that goofy ass Nicolas shit with him. And also remember - this isn't even the first time he has lost to Sami in what basically was a 3 on 1 match. So they aren't even being original with his "just a guy" push. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kafkonia Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 In that match, Braun's not the only one being left by the wayside. Shinsuke's been so bungled people aren't even commenting on it anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Quote Natalya: You like that Liv? Liv: I like it. Natalya: That's gonna be you. Liv: Oh FUCK! Hahahahaha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, kafkonia said: In that match, Braun's not the only one being left by the wayside. Shinsuke's been so bungled people aren't even commenting on it anymore. Remember when Asuka and Nakamura won the Rumble on the same night? It's been erased from history... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Dave Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 3 hours ago, Godfrey said: This is a total aside but, as someone who dips in and out of WWE these days, can I say what a bummer it is to see where Braun is at right now? He went from being the most over guy in the company as an unstoppable monster, the guy people thought should defeat Brock and possibly be their next big thing (tm), to a dancing fool getting pinned by Sami Zayn. I love Zayn and there were extenuating circumstances but come on, that's a bungling of huge proportions. Maybe he wasn't ready for it and they made the right choice but given what kind of matches they expect out of their top champions I'm sure they could have hidden any flaws or inexperience. It's a shame. Didn't he have backstage issues, too? Like not wanting to be there on time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Guy Eddie Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Niners Fan in CT said: Remember when Asuka and Nakamura won the Rumble on the same night? It's been erased from history... I, along with Pepperidge Farms remember. That was probably the last non-nxt WWE show I've enjoyed. Edited March 10, 2020 by Nice Guy Eddie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 God, Gulsk/Bryan was great. I wish there had been a single second that I thought Drew could win, but that's not the fault of the two guys in the ring. Humberto/Andrade was... An Andrade match. It's been years, I don't get what people like about his work. I just don't. Tag chamber was fairly fun. The Styles/Black thing was way too fucking long for the finish it got. It wasn't bad, but it went almost 25 minutes for a fuck finish. Jesus. Montez Ford does some amazing flying. Rollins is so much better as a tag worker than singles. Murphy is great. Dawkins is fine. I dug this well enough. IC title was what it was. I guess. Glad Zayn finally has gold, but... Yeah. Women's chamber wasn't a bad idea in a vacuum, but no way that can be a main event and not make the whole show feel flat. It would've been a hundred times better if Shayna came in second to last and they only had one "waiting around for the pod to open" sequence. Shayna has a match type she can do really well, but that's the only way she's good. Becky is significantly less good as the Steve Austin-esque brawler than she was as a more technical worker years back. I have no confidence this match won't suck. But, hey, Bryan/Gulak man... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Edwin Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Bryan/Gulak was definitely a quality match. Stiff strikes, gritty grappling exchanges, wild bumps, incredible selling. Legit MOTY candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReiseReise Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 10 hours ago, Brian Fowler said: It would've been a hundred times better if Shayna came in second to last and they only had one "waiting around for the pod to open" sequence. At least a hundred times, maybe even a thousand times. It felt as if those sequences took way to long each time aswell, although I didn't and will not go back and time it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 Thank fuck for Daniel Bryan and Daniel Bryan vs. Drew Gulak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 (edited) Well done, Sami Zayn. Edited March 11, 2020 by The Natural Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Web Conn Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 This is the first WWE show I've watched since Hell in a Cell, when did Sami Zayn start dressing like a hipster Fidel Castro? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Bryan/Gulak underrated by Meltzer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReiseReise Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 I might be in the minority, but I don't think Meltzer's ratings have that much relevancy anymore. First, Wrestling has become far more accessible since the tape trading days. Secondly, Meltzer himself has been consistantly destroying his star-ratings' legitamacy since 2013 when he began throwing around 4+ ratings for roughly everything and lots of trainwreck Multi-Men matches. This card is not much different, no way this had one 3.5* and two 4* matches. If you like the wrestling Dave currently likes, his ratings may work, but ultimately he rates stuff high that he likes. If he DOES use sth like a criteria catalogue (sth I remember reading eons ago), he seems to bend said criteria to his needs to sell his ideas. This is not exclusive to him btw, but he is the only dude who still generates reaction by slapping a * on something. Gulak v Bryan was the strongest match for me, but subjectively not a 4* match by the way, in case you were wandering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MORELOCK Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 3 hours ago, ReiseReise said: If you like the wrestling Dave currently likes, his ratings may work Ultimately this is the only reason anyone still cares - he somehow provides credibility to the case that Omega or whoever is the best wrestler ever, so people can cite him as if that makes it more "true." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 To be fair, it's not like it's only Dave that rated Omega or Okada or Omega vs Okada matches so high. Wade, Bruce, Alvarez... Pretty much all the people who have been doing newsletters) star ratings/etc for years and years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MORELOCK Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 24 minutes ago, Brian Fowler said: To be fair, it's not like it's only Dave that rated Omega or Okada or Omega vs Okada matches so high. Wade, Bruce, Alvarez... Pretty much all the people who have been doing newsletters) star ratings/etc for years and years. Did they go as over the top as Dave and break with their own rating systems? I genuinely don't know, as I became disillusioned with star ratings before all of that. I feel like the backlash against Dave would have been far less pronounced if he hadn't started saying NJPW matches were far better than any match he'd ever reviewed. I personally am more inclined to listen to a "Kenny Omega is a great wrestler" argument than a "Kenny Omega is the best wrestler ever" argument. I always felt like Dave's criteria was inconsistent, but it seemed to really go haywire around that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 I don't think the Torch went over five, but I think all the Omega/Okada matches got five. (Also, I'm not sure any of them are calling Omega the best ever. Alvarez says Okada is, Dave says it's too soon to say that but he should be a unanimous Hall of Famer first year eligible, etc. When Omega is on, he's really great, but this has been Okada's generation) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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