Spontaneous Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 4 hours ago, Ziggy said: Bringing new people isn't going to change the format that HHH and Shawn want to fill out these Takeovers. They their version of a PPV., long drawn out matches and 25 to 45 minutes main events. I'm sure Shawn wishes he got to have as much time in his match on top as these guys get. Even when Hunter has his matches its 30 minutes easy. Nothing is going to changeĀ True. I wish I could argue. I used to love Takeovers and now they are made with a cookie cutter. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go2Sleep Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 The last Takeover that didn't have the same formula was Respect in October of 2015. Semis and Finals of Dusty Classic on the same show, Asuka squashing Dana Brooke, and Sasha/Bayley Ironwoman match as the main. They just rotate wrestlers often enough that shows still feel somewhat fresh year to year. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 33 minutes ago, L_W_P said: I'm working through a history of PPV with my boys (ages 13 & 11) and we are almost through Mania 31. That Lenar v Reigns Main Event goes less than 20 mins, INCLUDING the MITB finish! Lord help me, I miss Roode v Nakamura & Nakamura v Joe in the main events. That's one of the best WrestleMania main events ever, Brock Lesnar vs. Roman Reigns at WrestleMania XXXI. My 2015 worldwide Match of the Year. Its a WrestleMania I'm fond off from top to bottom. I can understand why some didn't like the MITB cash-in, for me it didn't detract from the great work Lesnar and Reigns gave/put in...Then again it lead to Seth Rollins long ass WWE Championship reign. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 I got to watch up to the Street Fight this morning. That opener....what story were they telling? And I get that the in-ring guys have the "Just two big guys throwing bombs" excuse. The commentary was horrible in that regard. Just guys trying to get their shit in. Mauro's dumb loud catch phrases. Nigel getting his preprepared talking points in with no real structure or timing to anything. And Beth just wanting to be heard...and she's absolutely terrible when she can't bring it back to talking about herself. Oh yep, you didn't have a match in Ohio Valley with either of these two way back when?Ā It was a poorly structured match in the context of a great spectacle.Ā 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spontaneous Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 It all feels very much like PWG with a bigger budget and production values. But PWG could get away with these matches because guys went there to have crazy matches and make their name. It was maybe 10 shows a year though.Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolfan in NYC Posted February 18, 2020 Author Share Posted February 18, 2020 Remember, Malcolm is your intellectual better. Ā 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Something else that bugged me about the main event and those angles in general - I hate it when the friend who is about to turn costs their soon to be former friend a title match. It makes no sense. In this case, Johnny just lost to Finn so unless something happens, LIKE HIM TURNING ON CIAMPA AFTER CIAMPA WINS, then Johnny is further away from a title shot and another championship reign. To me, it would make more sense for Johnny to help Ciampa win, THEN turn on Ciampa so Ciampa wants a match against Johnny because Johnny ruined his moment and Johnny will only grant the match if the title is on the line. BE AN OPPORTUNIST! And again, this doesn't just go for the main event at Takeover, it goes for a lot of these angles. Help the dude win, then turn on them to ruin their moment, then take their championship. As I finished watching Takeover I wound up really like Rhea vs Bianca, the tag match, and probably the first 15 to 20 minutes of the main event. Even watching those three matches exhausted me and all of the overbooking, kickouts, finisher spamming, and more, basically the Takeover Main Event Style, just took me out of it. The one and only time I really liked someone going into zombie mode in a title match was Gargano vs Andrade. Andrade fucking murdered him, couldn't put Johnny away, Andrade then had to up the violence to win. This style should have died with that match because I don't think it was done better. Ever since then it's been kind of a bummer to know what to expect going in. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Hero Morganti Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 20 minutes ago, Craig H said: And again, this doesn't just go for the main event at Takeover, it goes for a lot of these angles. Help the dude win, then turn on them to ruin their moment, then take their championship. Sami Zayn vs Kevin Owens was exactly this 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 16 minutes ago, Morganti said: Sami Zayn vs Kevin Owens was exactly this That's exactly what I had in mind.Ā 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolfan in NYC Posted February 18, 2020 Author Share Posted February 18, 2020 51 minutes ago, Craig H said: Something else that bugged me about the main event and those angles in general - I hate it when the friend who is about to turn costs their soon to be former friend a title match. It makes no sense. In this case, Johnny just lost to Finn so unless something happens, LIKE HIM TURNING ON CIAMPA AFTER CIAMPA WINS, then Johnny is further away from a title shot and another championship reign. To me, it would make more sense for Johnny to help Ciampa win, THEN turn on Ciampa so Ciampa wants a match against Johnny because Johnny ruined his moment and Johnny will only grant the match if the title is on the line. BE AN OPPORTUNIST! And again, this doesn't just go for the main event at Takeover, it goes for a lot of these angles. Help the dude win, then turn on them to ruin their moment, then take their championship. TC cost Gargano the title like 17 times.Ā That bald piece of shit had it coming.Ā Ā 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyLaw Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 What Dolfan said, plus Johnny hasnāt had the best outcomes against Ciampa, so in his mind, costing Ciampa the title may be the quickest win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Guy Eddie Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, L_W_P said: Yep. I'm just not sure who (outside of Dream) is fresh enough to go 1 on 1 with Cole. Even then, we just know that match is going to be 30-40 mins of lockouts and crazy spots. I'd much rather we get a big multiman cluster fuck to totally clear out this era of main eventers, crown Dream, and build around raising up Lee, Riddle, Dunne etc over the next 12-24 months. I kind of expect WWE to have their own version of New Japan's double gold dash at some point, so let WALTER go after Adam Cole. Edited February 19, 2020 by Nice Guy Eddie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 On 2/17/2020 at 11:04 PM, Go2Sleep said: The last Takeover that didn't have the same formula was Respect in October of 2015. Semis and Finals of Dusty Classic on the same show, Asuka squashing Dana Brooke, and Sasha/Bayley Ironwoman match as the main. They just rotate wrestlers often enough that shows still feel somewhat fresh year to year. I didn't notice until 2017 or when DIY split and feuded over the title. Takeover Respect felt different because alot of the top women got called up around that time as well as a few guys. It wasn't the same formula it is right now, it felt like alot of star power was gone for a while but it was still fun and great Takeovers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorman Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Also, the best way for Gargano to hurt Ciampa is to keep him away from his beloved "Goldie." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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