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4 hours ago, Curt McGirt said:

I just watched Threads. 

I now will never ever ever eeeeeeeever watch another movie like that again. I do these things thinking I have balls of brass. I don't. Come And See was worse, this is second. 

Also: We Are Fucked.

Both of those movies still scare the living shit out of me and I am a grown ass man.

On ‎7‎/‎16‎/‎2020 at 6:05 PM, Curt McGirt said:

I should do a double of it and Evilspeak, which I've still never seen, for the Clint.

Evilspeak is also one of the best of the worst!  If you watch them both not only do you have the Clint Howard thing going on, but there is also a revenge done right / revenge done horribly wrong motif.

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We had a bad movie night and watched THE WRAITH and ARTEMIS FOWL. Honestly, pretty good examples of a good bad movie and a bad bad movie.

One thing I was thinking about during THE WRAITH: despite the Fast & Furious Franchise, you don’t see real cars explode in films as much as you used to.

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On 7/16/2020 at 5:34 PM, The Natural said:

Christopher Nolan movies:

10. The Prestige (2006).

9. Interstellar (2014).

8. Dunkirk (2017).

7. Insomnia (2002).

6. The Dark Knight Rises (2012).

5. Inception (2010).

4. Following (1998).

3. Batman Begins (2005).

2. Memento (2000).

1. The Dark Knight (2008).

I need to give Dunkirk another go. Did little for me on my first watch through.  I won't be watching Interstellar again.

 

On 7/16/2020 at 9:13 PM, Eivion said:

I've only seen around 7 Nolan movies, but that is a list I mostly agree with for the ones I've seen. I might switch Inception and TDKR around but otherwise accurate. 

Thanks, @Eivion. Deciding whether to place The Dark Knight Rises over Inception or other way round was my only difficulty when ranking Christopher Nolan's filmography. The Dark Knight Rises has faults, more so compared to the previous two entries in The Dark Knight Trilogy where as Inception's goes on a tad too long and I'm into very few sci-fi things.

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Kevin James isn't very believable as a White Supremacist. I wish Simon Pegg would've taken the role. Nick Frost would've been more convincing. Best part was Lulu Wilson going to town.

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On ‎7‎/‎16‎/‎2020 at 5:14 PM, Control said:

How have I never before heard of THE WRAITH (1986)? I mean, just read this description:

“Packard Walsh and his motorized gang control and terrorize an Arizona desert town where they force drivers to drag-race so they can 'win' their vehicles. After Walsh stabs the decent teenager Jamie Hankins to death for being intimate with a girl whom Walsh wants for himself, the mysterious Jake Kesey arrives, an extremely cool motor-biker with an invincible car. Jake befriends Jamie's girlfriend Keri Johnson, takes Jamie's sweet brother Billy under his wing and manages what Sheriff Loomis can not - the methodical and otherworldly elimination of Packard's criminal gang.”

great episode of How Did This Get Made.

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So I watched Downsizing (2017). It felt disjointed... lots of good ideas, but it refuses to pick a lane and stay in it. Feels like it should have been a TV show. Like there were subplots that would have worked as 'monster of the week' episodes and other subplots that would have been multi episode arcs, and that would have worked, but as one long movie? It's just all over the place. 

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On 4/6/2020 at 6:47 PM, Control said:

Watched GHIDORAH, THE THREE HEADED MONSTER last night, and I don’t know if I need to see another Godzilla film—I think that had all the monster madness I needed.

Pretty seamless transition from holding this opinion to watching a couple Godzilla films per week. Watching VS GIGAN right now.

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On 7/21/2020 at 6:43 PM, driver said:

Kevin James isn't very believable as a White Supremacist. I wish Simon Pegg would've taken the role. Nick Frost would've been more convincing. Best part was Lulu Wilson going to town.

There wasn’t much White Supremacy not that I’m complaining but it’s almost like he didn’t want to fully commit.

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Okay, am I the one that's fucking bonkers because that could very well be the case but make a case for me that the early Bond films are any good...

Controversial I guess considering how revered they are but, I dunno, I started watching them in order from the beginning during all this shite that's going on as I'd watched bits and pieces of them down the years but had never actually watched most of the earlier ones from start to finish.  I've watched as far as The Spy Who Loves Me so far and, fuck, they don't hold up very well at all. Some of them are downright dull and a chore to get through and probably about 20 minutes too long in most cases and, yeah...

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I love the Bond flicks, but they really don't hold up well.  They're a product of their time, and get easier to watch when you get to the more recent onces.

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From Russia with Love is a genuinely excellent movie, and Goldfinger is great fun. Most of the other early ones, even though I like most of them, are pretty disposable fare.

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I probably have more out-there Christopher Nolan ranking than most. haha
(Not seen Following)

01. The Dark Knight Rises: Yeah, that's right.  A movie buff friend of mine and I agree, that this is the best Batman flick.  Bane is such a monstrously awesome villain, all hope is stripped away so starkly by the middle of the film, that when it begins its last ascent to 'superhero saves the day' that it feels like a real triumph of good over evil, and I think the scene where Batman first comes back is maybe the best cinematic representation of how awe-inspiring it would be as a regular schmo to see one of these guys in action.  It has its flaws, sure (Bane's anticlimactic demise; Comissioner Gordon being the only person at the end of the film who hadn't figured out who Batman really was really makes you really question his detective skills; the ending being a little too cute; and Christian Bale's unfortunate grunts when his character gets his back broke that sound way more like constipation than catastrophic injury) but I genuinely love this movie more than maybe any superhero movie out there.

02. Interstellar: I think the absolute king-sized score probably makes me overrate it a tad, and I've honestly only seen it once more since its initial release (Though I've watched bits and pieces more times than I can count whenever it turns up on TV) but that first watch was one of the most overwhelming, all-encompassing movie watches I've ever seen.  It's hard to overstate what an impact seeing it on a massive screen while being assaulted by its massive sound has on a person.  Also, that first viewing of it has an impossible-to-erase strange little story associated in my head with it that it puts it way up here

 

My sister bought tickets to this for my dad's birthday that year for a Sunday matinee and we got to the theater early, arms full of pop and popcorn, only to walk into the theater and find a church had rented the space for their services and were just in the midst of packing everything up, so here we sit in the theater seats, eating popcorn and chatting as the parishioners amble around, saying goodbye to each other and making painful smalltalk with us sinners: "So what movie are you guys seeing? Interstellar? Oh yeah, I heard good things" while we sat there feeling silently judged as if he was really saying "Well, I'd be seeing it to, but I'm too busy praising our LORD!"  It was one of the most surreal weird cinema-going experiences of my life and we still chat about it to this day and thinking about it right now makes me laugh.



03. Dunkirk: This one is the opposite of the above, I liked it in theaters, but found it rather stressful and a good portion of the dialogue almost impossible to hear and honestly had no idea who was who most of the time.  But after seeing it on DVD and, subsequently, on cable, have found myself with a greater appreciation for the craft of it all.

04. Inception: I love the first 2/3rds of 'Inception' but I think the movie kind of collapses under itself around the time of the mountain hospital, it's just not as cool or imaginative a setting as the previous ones have been which is funny because...

05. The Dark Knight: ...I feel exactly the same about 'The Dark Knight' as I do about 'Inception'.  The first 2/3 to 3/4 of the movie is nearly perfect.  Heath Ledger is such a great villain, and Joker's plots are so chllingly  vicious that when it comes to the final section with Joker pitting the two boats full of people nobody cares about against each other, followed by the tower assault and anticlimactic fight with the Joker and all that stuff with Two-Face, it all just feels like such a letdown to what came before it.  Honestly, if they cut out the showdown with Two-Face and left that all for another film, I'd probably look on this one much more favourably.  I'm also old enough to remember just how many guys dressed up like The Joker for Halloween that year, as well as how many wrestlers tried to rip off his promo style, so those are also things I hold against it. 

06. Insomnia: It's been so long since I've seen this that I honestly can no longer remember if I liked it more than the original, or found it a letdown compared to the original.  I remember Robin Williams being really creepy, so that's good enough for #6.

07. Batman Begins: I'm not sure what it is, but over the years I've come to actively dislike this film.  Director James Gunn was recently talking about how tedious most origin story superhero films are, and maybe that's my problem.  But I'd rather watch any number of Batman movies before this one.  Even Batman and Robin.  And I hated the reveal of the real villain versus the advertised villain even more than the similar trick in 'Iron Man 3'.

08. Memento: You know,  I never really got Memento.  It's interesting, well-plotted but never really drew me in.  Realistically, the only joy this movie brings me now is that someone took the "Don't Believe His Lies' photograph and replaced it with a well-known hockey insider as a way of criticizing the reliability of his hockey rumor-mongering that always makes me laugh.

09. The Prestige: I really don't remember much of this except, going from memory, it was one of those "And then this happens...but it didn't! Gotcha!" type of flicks which generally annoy me.

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14 hours ago, Fuzzy Dunlop said:

Controversial I guess considering how revered they are but, I dunno, I started watching them in order from the beginning during all this shite that's going on as I'd watched bits and pieces of them down the years but had never actually watched most of the earlier ones from start to finish.  I've watched as far as The Spy Who Loves Me so far and, fuck, they don't hold up very well at all. Some of them are downright dull and a chore to get through and probably about 20 minutes too long in most cases and, yeah...

They don't hold up well, especially once Roger Moore takes over and they get silly with the gadgets. I watched one of the Pierce Brosnan ones when I had a minute long crush on him, but by then the appeal of the story was gone and I just saw the sexism. I have not watched the Daniel Craig ones.

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3 hours ago, JLSigman said:

They don't hold up well, especially once Roger Moore takes over and they get silly with the gadgets. I watched one of the Pierce Brosnan ones when I had a minute long crush on him, but by then the appeal of the story was gone and I just saw the sexism. I have not watched the Daniel Craig ones.

Casino Royal (no, Mark, not that one) is my favorite Bond film, and Skyfall is quite good and has beautiful cinematography. QoS is probably bottom 5 for the entire series imo, and Spectre is just kinda there. 

1 hour ago, Control said:

What these top ten lists reveal to me is that I’m not super impressed by Christopher Nolan.

I have the same opinon on almost all of his movies. "Yeah, that was good but it wasn't THAT good."  Except Dark Knight Rises.  That was just a bad movie. The worst sound design in a major movie I can think of from the last decade or two. A laughably bad villain that's I found impossible to take even remotely seriously every time he talked. And hands down the single worst execution of a "ticking clock" mechanic I've ever seen in a movie.  The third act ended up being pretty good, but by that point there had been two hours of the film Sideshow Bobbing itself ion a collection of rakes.

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Yeah, those Bond films are obviously of their time but some of the casual racial stuff and the sexism in them stands out so so much. Some of it is just...yeesh. 

But, yeah, as I mentioned too, I'm just finding them really dull, just not for me I guess. I know Roger Moore was quoted before saying he played up on the humour side of it because the whole thing is so ridiculous what with every dude in every hotel and casino in the world knowing who this SECRET agent is straight away but he's actively terrible at points in some of the ones I've watched so far. The Man with the Golden Gun is an absolute turd.

I haven't watched the Dalton or Brosnan ones in years so it'll be interesting I guess to watch those. I know Die Another Day is pretty universally reviled and not just because of the invisible car but I liked Goldeneye when I saw it in the cinema when I was about 10. Plus the N64 game is pretty much the greatest game of all times. 

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Goldeneye isn't bad at all, but the immediate quality drop off is steep.

The Dalton ones age pretty well as 80's action movies. They were always a weird fit in Bond, but time has been pretty kind to them, imo.

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16 minutes ago, Control said:

I like that the plot of GODZILLA VS HEDORA is “Godzilla gets mad at pollution!”

And the weird ass hippie sit-in. And the surf rock score. And the bizarre as hell animated sequence.

The weirdest Godzilla movie by large margin. Fantastic

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