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1 hour ago, Casey said:

It must be approved now since WWE PC has posted a video with Riddle talking about how he wants the match with Brock.

This is such a weird company.

so on one hand Vince wants his talent to reach for the brass ring, show him how much you want it. But then when you do try to promote yourself you are punished for it.   

 

Agreed very weird company. 

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This may very well make me a terrible person(and it's a risk I'm obviously willing to take) but thinking about Vince McMahon doing his power strut up to a podium at a funeral makes me laugh uncontrollably.

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1 hour ago, paintedbynumbers said:

so on one hand Vince wants his talent to reach for the brass ring, show him how much you want it. But then when you do try to promote yourself you are punished for it.   

 

Agreed very weird company. 

I don't really like to defend WWE, but I think that people are bit wrong with these "reach for the brass ring" takes. At the end of the day Vince and other influential people have to like what you are doing. You will not get brass ring just because you tried to reach it.

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The biggest problem in wrestling is that everyone became convinced they can be Hogan and Flair and forget that you need the Dibiase's, Orndorff's and Andersons to hold everything else together.

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17 minutes ago, NikoBaltimore said:

I had a feeling this would happen as soon as I heard it.  That Mark dude is a dipshit and I wish they would stop bringing him in for this.  Hopefully they walk it back on one of the shows.

Bryan's already king dipshit. So it doesn't surprise me to see what his bullshitting buddies and hanger-ons are like.

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56 minutes ago, NikoBaltimore said:

I had a feeling this would happen as soon as I heard it.  That Mark dude is a dipshit and I wish they would stop bringing him in for this.  Hopefully they walk it back on one of the shows.

Not that he was wrong here, that spot (can you call something that goes on for several minutes a spot?) took way too long and distracted from the match. At best it was a comedy spot that completely failed.

Also calling a spot "idiocy" is not the same thing as calling whoever is executing it an idiot. Same thing as the difference between calling an action stupid and the person doing said action stupid (period).

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6 minutes ago, Robert s said:

Not that he was wrong here, that spot (can you call something that goes on for several minutes a spot?) took way too long and distracted from the match. At best it was a comedy spot that completely failed.

Also calling a spot "idiocy" is not the same thing as calling whoever is executing it an idiot. Same thing as the difference between calling an action stupid and the person doing said action stupid (period).

 

1 minute ago, Rehabilitated Rick said:

The spot sucked and dragged on too long. The payoff should be somewhat instantaneous, not jumping from table to table like an obstacle course. I wasn't a fan of it. I don't see why anyone should walk back anything. The spot sucked, not the performer doing it. 

The idea of finding some creative way to not be eliminated has gotten ridiculous over the years.  If it feels organic then it's fine (example:  Otis catching Mandy because he did something similar on Smackdown) , But the more contrived ones are where they lose me.  That said Mark has always comes across as a dumbass and makes Bryan tolerable by comparison.

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1 hour ago, NikoBaltimore said:

 

The idea of finding some creative way to not be eliminated has gotten ridiculous over the years.  If it feels organic then it's fine (example:  Otis catching Mandy because he did something similar on Smackdown) , But the more contrived ones are where they lose me.  That said Mark has always comes across as a dumbass and makes Bryan tolerable by comparison.

Yeah, the Naomi thing fell flat for me, but the Otis thing popped the room I was in.  Naomi is expected to do something to avoid an elimination, and if it isn't very interesting it's going to fall flat.  The thing with Otis and Mandy worked because none of us were expecting it.  Mandy isn't someone any of us expected to win, so we had no reason to think she wasn't just eliminated.  It also was probably the best produced part of the show, because she was out of the ring for a second or two before they cut to Otis holding her up.  It was part of an ongoing storyline, and made all the sense in the world.  Naomi was just another Naomi stunt, and not a very good one.

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I personally didn't care for the Naomi spot either. I'm firmly of the feeling that all these over-elaborate near misses in battle royals have long since jumped several sharks. 

But man do I hate me some Bryan Alevarez and his standing as someone who should be taken seriously as a critic (as if anyone in wrestling "journalism" should be taken seriously). Hey, Bryan: Roger Ebert took some stiff shots, but I don't remember him ever publicly sitting around with his dipshit friends yukking it up and casually motherfucking people who have actual talent. And I'm happy that said individual with actual talent has decided to address you like the bottom-feeding, limp-dicked nobody that you are. I hope the market for live television gets so fucked up that they expand Raw to five hours and drive the last little bit of light out of your eyes, you slimy little dweeb. 

Glad I got that out of my system. This is why I know better than to be on Twitter. 

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24 minutes ago, West Newbury Bad Boy said:

Hey, Bryan: Roger Ebert took some stiff shots, but I don't remember him ever publicly sitting around with his dipshit friends yukking it up and casually motherfucking people who have actual talent.

Go back and read or watch some of the horror reviews he did back in the early-mid 80s.  As a horror fan, I think the guy is a complete shitbag.  If you're counting dipshit friends motherfucking people with actual talent, his partner Siskel gave people Betsy Palmer's address and told them to write her and tell her she was a horrible person for doing Friday the 13th, for example.

She just wanted a new car, man.

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9 minutes ago, Tromatagon said:

Go back and read or watch some of the horror reviews he did back in the early-mid 80s.  As a horror fan, I think the guy is a complete shitbag.  If you're counting dipshit friends, Siskel gave people Betsy Palmer's address and told them to write her and tell her she was a horrible person for doing Friday the 13th, for example.

Fuck, I knew someone was going to point out that I chose an imperfect vessel for my little rant. But I wanted to pick someone recognizable enough and with enough supposed "credibility" for the analogy to land. Please replace him in your mind's eye with a critic you'd take more seriously. 

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I have qualms with the "nobody should take wrestling journalism seriously" part, but I can't quite formulate into words why I disagree with that part. Everything else lands, mainly due to me never caring about the critical side of wrestling (or music, or movies, etc etc).

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6 minutes ago, West Newbury Bad Boy said:

Fuck, I knew someone was going to point out that I chose an imperfect vessel for my little rant. But I wanted to pick someone recognizable enough and with enough supposed "credibility" for the analogy to land. Please replace him in your mind's eye with a critic you'd take more seriously. 

Well, since you did ask...

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I have plenty of gripes with Alvarez (part it does come from calling people dorks and whatnot), but if you work for WWE, the last thing you should be is thin skinned. Once you're on television watched by (slowly dwindling) millions, you're in the shit now honey. At least the Figure Four Weekly guys are somewhat popular among the online wrestling contingent. There are less popular people who do the same thing on every social media platform you can think of. What I don't like is you either forward this shit to someone to get a response or someone searched their name into Twitter to see it. I imagine even a low level celeb should know everything on the internet isn't going to be rosy. It would be different if someone was actively bullying you and directly did it. You're in fucking WWE...of course, people are going to take the piss out of you. Moreover, it's not going to stop anytime soon. This isn't going to deter anyone. Hell, the whole reason they did the video component is people love watching them mock stuff. This will continue.

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6 minutes ago, Elsalvajeloco said:

I have plenty of gripes with Alvarez (part it does comes from calling people dorks and whatnot), but if you work for WWE, the last thing you should be is thin skinned. 

They're just following the example set by locker room leader Seth Rollins. 

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