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1 hour ago, Technico Support said:

He dragged a coworker in public, making fun of another human being and using them to get over with a bunch of Internet marks.  It's low and disgusting.  Please don't frame this like Graves had some reasonable, constructive criticism for Renallo that he presented in a professional manner.  He had a shitty, snarky comment that he made purely for Likes or whatever they call it on Twitter.  It's grotesque behavior from a shitty person.

And you're doing the same thing to a more vicious extent except you don't work with these people. So you can call Corey a terrible person despite not knowing Graves on a personal level because you're "right".  Again, the tweet from Corey is not cool.  It's a jerk move.  But calling it some sort of obscene vicious slander because Graves said Mauro talks too much is a bridge too far. And Mauro and the people in this thread reacting as though it is aren't being honest with themselves. Unless we are going to pretend that someone who is bi-polar can't be the subject of any criticism which is ridiculous when he's a public figure.

Graves' tweet is a 2/10 on the bad thing scale and the response is as though he did a 12/10 including saying he should be physically beaten.

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14 hours ago, Goodear said:

Everyone’s stupid.

Literally my only takeaway for this month.

I'm a career mental health guy.  And I'm lending nothing to this discussion on principle (I likes my pro life and personal interests as separate as possible), but I am fascinated by the discussion as it's transpiring over what constitutes compassion & perception of the basic principles of what it means to suffer with mental illness, from people on the outside looking in.  It legit helps me get a feel for how to coach my clients when they come in, feeling invalidated by family/friends who think that a simple "Why don't you just calm down?" or "There's nothing wrong with you," or "Just get over it already" is enough support.

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1 hour ago, Goodear said:

And you're doing the same thing to a more vicious extent except you don't work with these people. So you can call Corey a terrible person despite not knowing Graves on a personal level because you're "right".  Again, the tweet from Corey is not cool.  It's a jerk move.  But calling it some sort of obscene vicious slander because Graves said Mauro talks too much is a bridge too far. And Mauro and the people in this thread reacting as though it is aren't being honest with themselves. Unless we are going to pretend that someone who is bi-polar can't be the subject of any criticism which is ridiculous when he's a public figure.

Graves' tweet is a 2/10 on the bad thing scale and the response is as though he did a 12/10 including saying he should be physically beaten.

You're really downplaying everything here in order to be right and I have no idea why I'm replying.  What Graves said is not the issue.  It's how he said it and who he said it to.  This goes beyond "criticism" and you're the one being intellectually dishonest with yourself for claiming such.  Or you just can't wrap your head around it and damn, if that's the case, I feel bad for you.  Context matters.  How you say something, where you say it, and who you say it too all matter.  

Let's take Graves at face value and assume he honestly had an issue with Mauro's commentary style.  Mauro is bipolar and doesn't take well to being fucked with/bullying/etc.  He could:

A) Approach him in private and discuss it

B) Mock him on Twitter

In what world is point B okay?  In what world is that behavior just considered just "criticism?"   Thank you for admitting it's "a jerk move."  Normally, that's all I would call this.  But his target in this case is a guy with an actual and well-documented disorder, which puts this far beyond "jerk move." 

Someone on reddit made the analogy of seeing a person with a broken leg and kicking him in the shin.  Someone else said "talking privately means you're talking TO someone.  Talking publicly means you're talking ABOUT someone."  I don't know why this is so difficult to understand.

 

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15 minutes ago, Technico Support said:

You're really downplaying everything here in order to be right and I have no idea why I'm replying.  What Graves said is not the issue.  It's how he said it and who he said it to.  This goes beyond "criticism" and you're the one being intellectually dishonest with yourself for claiming such.  Or you just can't wrap your head around it and damn, if you do, I feel bad for you.  Context matters.  How you say something, where you say it, and who you say it too all matter.  

Let's take Graves at face value and assume he honestly had an issue with Mauro's commentary style.  Mauro is bipolar and doesn't take well to being fucked with/bullying/etc.  He could:

A) Approach him in private and discuss it

B) Mock him on Twitter

In what world is point B okay?  In what world is that behavior just considered just "criticism?"   Thank you for admitting it's "a jerk move."  Normally, that's all I would call this.  But his target in this case is a guy with an actual and well-documented disorder, which puts this far beyoned "jerk move." 

Someone on reddit made the analogy of seeing a person with a broken leg and kicking him in the shin.  I don't know why this is so difficult to understand.

 

Or, as someone put it on WOL, it would be like if a grocery store had a meeting and you decided to call out one co-worker for being annoying over the intercom letting both customers and employees know.

And it's also not just what Graves said. It was also him replying to and liking others comments knocking Mauro.

I'm sick and fucking tired of the comments like, "well Mauro should know where he's working," or "maybe WWE isn't the best place for Mauro to work," or "he shouldn't be so sensitive," or "people who are bipolar shouldn't be exempt from criticism," or "everyone is pearl clutching." That is all bullshit, it's gross, and it shows a complete lack of understanding. Hey, how about WWE take into consideration those with certain sensitivities and operate like many other professional companies. This company is so full of shit when it comes to anti-bullying and be a star and whatever. How about you put your foot down on mocking your peers outside of any sort of storyline? We've already discussed the part about being sensitive, but the part about being exempt from criticism really irks me. No, that's not what this is about. Mauro or anyone else who has severe depression or ADHD or mental illness or bipolar disorder or any other mental illness isn't exempt from criticism, but maybe take into account what you're saying and how you're saying it. Like you said, having a private conversation would have been far better than mocking someone on Twitter and liking other tweets making fun of Mauro.

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15 hours ago, BEN! said:

If Ranallo didn't run right away to vanity search himself looking to get his ass kissed, he wouldn't have ended up logging off with his chapped ass.  In the words of Chuck D, welcome to the terrordrome.

Also, it's always amusing that whenever it's perceived that Ranallo is up in his feelings that Meltzer starts stirring shit up and dog abandoning Frank Shamrock threatens to punch someone.

 

Watch this. Learn fucking empathy.

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he essentially was a fan watching the show. He said "you also have a hof and former ROH champ calling the show but you wouldn't know it"  was he wrong??  Honestly was he wrong??  Nigel and Beth barely had a chance to get a word in.  I'm not a  huge fan of Beth on commentary but I do love Nigel and neither really got to say much.  Graves being a commentator and a fan in general was reacting to what he saw. Co-worker or not he made an opinion. He didn't @ Mauro in his tweet or attempt to harm him in any way. 

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God, remember when wrestling forums were used to talk about wrestling instead of personal dramas between two atrocious announcers?

 

Like, it’s not a shot at anyone here, because anywhere involving wrestling is talking about it and can’t be avoided, it’s just a general frustration of mine. I’m so completely over the “let’s talk about athletes and/or performers real life drama over the actual thing they do” bullshit which dominated culture now a days. It was a big part of why I zoned out from the NBA, and it’s pushing me so far into old wrestling tapes because there I can just acknowledge “yeah, most of the guys in these are probably awful people” and be over it. Social media has gotten everyone closer to the performers, when al it’s revealed is they are just as petty or flawed as anyone else. Shock of shocks.

 

Mini-Rant over, once I’m off work I’m gonna go watch some 84 AWA.

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If a "no making fun of anyone on Twitter" rule is instituted, the entire roster gets fired except maybe Mustafa Ali, so maybe something a little bit less knee-jerk and a little bit more realistic?

Also - I think you can all refrain from personally attacking people whose outrage levels don't match your own.

 

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7 minutes ago, The Man Known as Dan said:

God, remember when wrestling forums were used to talk about wrestling instead of personal dramas between two atrocious announcers?

 

Like, it’s not a shot at anyone here, because anywhere involving wrestling is talking about it and can’t be avoided, it’s just a general frustration of mine. I’m so completely over the “let’s talk about athletes and/or performers real life drama over the actual thing they do” bullshit which dominated culture now a days. It was a big part of why I zoned out from the NBA, and it’s pushing me so far into old wrestling tapes because there I can just acknowledge “yeah, most of the guys in these are probably awful people” and be over it. Social media has gotten everyone closer to the performers, when al it’s revealed is they are just as petty or flawed as anyone else. Shock of shocks.

 

Mini-Rant over, once I’m off work I’m gonna go watch some 84 AWA.

Twitter straight ruined wrestling. 

And everything, really. 

7 minutes ago, MORELOCK said:

If a "no making fun of anyone on Twitter" rule is instituted, the entire roster gets fired except maybe Mustafa Ali, so maybe something a little bit less knee-jerk and a little bit more realistic?

Also - I think you can all refrain from personally attacking people whose outrage levels don't match your own.

 

Only if you can refrain from whining about how people's outrage levels are just too damned high for you. We get it, you're a contrary thinker. If we say that we think you're very enlightened, will you stop whining about "approved lists" and insinuating that all outrage is performative?

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22 minutes ago, LoneWolf&Subs said:

What, I thought most us were jerking it to Japanese women in fur boots in that thread?

Some of us aren't?

I kid, I kid. Pornhub suits my needs for that just fine.

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Speaking of bad announcing, Shawn Spears is going to be doing guest colour commentary on AEW Dark tonight. Now obviously there's no way I could have heard anything he said yet, so I don't know for sure it's going to be bad. I just have strong suspicions. Besides which, he's managed by Tully Blanchard. He has an elite level mouth piece. Why is he the one that gets to talk?

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This whole Mauro thing sucks, because there isn't really a right answer.  I have a family member who married a woman who is bi-polar and let me tell you, there is no telling what will trigger her in a way that can be downright frightening from time to time.  There was one time that she had a huge blow up because another cousin suggested they wait on someone.  When my cousin, her husband, asked her what happened, she said, "I can't believe he would do something that vile to me," before then telling him, "I was going to wait, any way."  She spent the rest of the weekend secluded, crying, and telling her husband that it's his fault for not protecting her from this situation.  Except, there is no way to protect someone from a situation that they can't possibly see coming.  Was Graves wrong?  I mean, I guess if you expect Graves to take Mauro's feelings into account before he says anything at all, but that's not really realistic.  Mauro is someone who has some pretty well documented mental health issues, but it isn't Grave's job to protect Mauro's mental health.  Mauro's mental health is his responsibility.  He can cut off his Twitter, and not listen to commentary when he's off television if that helps.  What he can't do is expect everyone else around him to censor everything they say and/or keep his feelings in mind, because his mental health isn't their responsibility.  Graves' comment was unnecessary, but so is almost every comment.  

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Oy, this is what happens when I take off work a couple days.  Coming back to reading pages of this discussion just sucks, man.  Heck, it even made Natural curse which aside from FHH doesn't happen often.

But whatever opinion I have on it has been well-covered many times over here so no sense saying much more about it.  Actually, tempting as it may be  I'm just not going to say anything about it at all.

Can we maybe either splinter these posts into a separate topic or at least try and pivot off of it somehow?  Anybody got some cool wrestling stories to share?   No need to end the month like this if we can help it.

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At the show I was at in Friday, A-Kid managed to make himself the biggest heel in the building through the simple medium of entrance music. We're all standing there, waiting for him to come out, and then we hear it, booming over the PA system:

"Cut my life into pieces, this is my last resort" BOOOOOOOOooooooo!

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4 minutes ago, NikoBaltimore said:

Oy, this is what happens when I take off work a couple days.  Coming back to reading pages of this discussion just sucks, man.  Heck, it even made Natural curse which aside from FHH doesn't happen often.

But whatever opinion I have on it has been well-covered many times over here so no sense saying much more about it.  Actually, tempting as it may be  I'm just not going to say anything about it at all.

Can we maybe either splinter these posts into a separate topic or at least try and pivot off of it somehow?  Anybody got some cool wrestling stories to share?   No need to end the month like this if we can help it.

I miss the spot where a dude gets up in the corner and just punches the guy ten times while the crowd counts along. Simple yet effective, the last person I remember doing it regularly was Booker T. 

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3 minutes ago, Six String Orchestra said:

I *tried* to pivot by sharing my favorite Luther Reigns memory but much like his career it was immediately forgotten. 

Reminds me of myself in the NWA thread a few days ago. I type up a post about how bland Aldis is, but was met with nothing but Cornette talk.

The lesson: Discussions about bland wrestlers aren't the answer.

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10 minutes ago, LoneWolf&Subs said:

Only man to have a stupider haircut than Corey Graves.

I'd debate that on the basis of Reigns' hair being a simple, quick shave.  Graves' ridiculous hairstyle looks like it takes time and effort.  My wife and I watched Total Divas for a few episodes before we decided it's just garbage, and I just could not stop staring at Graves' hair like "what the fuck is that?  How does he do that?"   It's this bizarre pompadour that sort of sweeps up in a bouffant, but then tucks in on itself.  It's very precise and appears to defy some laws of physics, and it's obvious he spends a lot of time on it.  It's like Vanilla Ice's hair and Egon from The Real Ghostbusters' hair had a hair baby.

As a dude who shaves his head with a .5 guard every other week, I shouldn't be taking about other dudes' hair, but here we are.  or should I say...hair we are?

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8 minutes ago, LoneWolf&Subs said:

Only man to have a stupider haircut than Corey Graves.

How quickly we forget the immortal Horshu.

OK, I typed this response and then tried to find a image of the stupid haircut and then realized Luther Reigns is Horshu which has never crossed my mind.

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