NOVEMBER 2019 WRESTLING CHAT.

[AxB]

36 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

The line is busy. @OSJ, I hope you asked for Sterling James Keenan.

I can't wait until December, so this thread can die a much deserved death. The stigma mental health issues carry is really sad and the general ignorance and/or lacking of compassion is equally as sad, especially on a board that is generally more progressive and caring than other places.

 

3 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

IMO, Graves concussion history would make it that much sweeter if Bas Rutten or Frank Shamrock were to repeatedly punch him in the head.

Ummm... Eddie? Brain damage is kind of, sort of, a mental health issue, like technically.

Also, Bas would only need one punch, assuming he was doing his car key deal.

[Nice Guy Eddie]

5 minutes ago, AxB said:

 

Ummm... Eddie? Brain damage is kind of, sort of, a mental health issue, like technically.

Also, Bas would only need one punch, assuming he was doing his car key deal.

You're right. I was being prick because of Graves and others being a prick. I'm a flawed individual; I can admit that.

Edited November 26, 2019 by Nice Guy Eddie

[Curt McGirt]

2 hours ago, Ryan said:

Damn straight, now pick out your shovels, we're going grave-robbing.

You just reminded me of Ray on Mr. Inbetween picking out the shovel at the store and proceeding to use it for some very not-shoveling activity. I'm sure his character would have some particular things to say to that jerk Graves. 

Picking on a guy who literally has a movie about his mental problems floating around out there, man... really? 

[Eivion]

5 hours ago, Niners Fan in CT said:

I remember seeing that story about Graves and how he couldn't work anymore, his career was over and how was he going to support his wife and family, etc.  

Fast forward a couple years and he is an insufferable prick on Twitter and left his family for Carmella.  

Just throwing this out there, but he and his wife seemingly split before Carmella. It also seems less like he left his family and more like he and the wife split custody. 

[Niners Fan in CT]

20 minutes ago, Eivion said:

Just throwing this out there, but he and his wife seemingly split before Carmella. It also seems less like he left his family and more like he and the wife split custody. 

You're ruining my story with facts.  

[Eivion]

6 minutes ago, Niners Fan in CT said:

You're ruining my story with facts.  

Don't worry, none of it changes that Corey is an asshole.

[Kang]

The funhouse is getting a new character.

[username]

Meltz does seem to really call very few people when reporting on his stories, it's a bit of a whatever here but the same thing happened with the whole Elgin deal and... I think Meltz might be a worst journalist than Corey is a co-worker.

[odessasteps]

On the drive thru today, Brian asked if Dave called Jim to get his side of the stuff from last week. He said no, he figured dave prob just listened to the podcast last week where he went over everything. 

[Craig H]

I don't believe Dave and Jim are talking right now and Jim gave his side of things on his podcast so what's the point in calling Jim?

[Whodathunkit]

This made me laugh:

 

[Ryan]

You mean it's not?

[odessasteps]

40 minutes ago, Craig H said:

I don't believe Dave and Jim are talking right now and Jim gave his side of things on his podcast so what's the point in calling Jim?

I mentioned it in regards to the whole “does Dave try to talk to people in the news?” Conversation and because Brian did specifically ask Jim if Dave had talked to him for the story.

i agree that Dave really didn’t to talk to him to get his side because of the podcast, but it was a good example that fit the discussion. 

[Technico Support]

14 hours ago, Casey said:

Painful lack of rap fans here and it shows.

Myself, I'm just too old.  For my frame of reference, I'm thinking 1-900-976-Doo Doo Two dollars for the first minute. Twenty five dollars. For each additional minute

[paintedbynumbers]

7 hours ago, Eivion said:

Just throwing this out there, but he and his wife seemingly split before Carmella. It also seems less like he left his family and more like he and the wife split custody. 

this is true. I am pretty close with Matt's brother Sam (Used to be close with Matt too 15 yrs or so ago but anyhow)  Matt came in to do a show here in Pittsburgh and he had his kids with him. The kids were extremely well behaved and they made signs for their dad and for Uncle Sam (adonis and no the signs were not red, white, and blue)  Matt has always been hot headed though and will sometimes tweet or say things in the spur of the moment. Sam is the same way, think back to what he said at the Rev Pro show that got him in hot water.  Do I think he intended to hurt Mauro?  No I don't, but I do think he was trying to make a joke that didn't go over nearly as he hoped it would. 

[Technico Support]

11 hours ago, BEN! said:

Also, it's always amusing that whenever it's perceived that Ranallo is up in his feelings that Meltzer starts stirring shit up and dog abandoning Frank Shamrock threatens to punch someone.

 

"Up in his feelings?"  Holy shit, dude.  The guy is bi-polar and, on top of that, was having a pretty shitty couple of days with his illness.  I hope you never know how awful that kind of thing is, or even just how bad a bout of even plain old anxiety is.  And if you do, I hope you encounter people with more empathy than yourself. 

 

10 hours ago, Goodear said:

No it’s not cool.  But saying someone is talking too much on commentary is not akin to some gross insult to human decency even if they are bi polar.  It’s not cool and that’s about it.

 

He dragged a coworker in public, making fun of another human being and using them to get over with a bunch of Internet marks.  It's low and disgusting.  Please don't frame this like Graves had some reasonable, constructive criticism for Renallo that he presented in a professional manner.  He had a shitty, snarky comment that he made purely for Likes or whatever they call it on Twitter.  It's grotesque behavior from a shitty person.

Edited November 26, 2019 by Technico Support

[MORELOCK]

God, you guys are in pearl-clutch overdrive for the last couple of months.

But again - only at approved targets.

[Spontaneous]

"Gimme some peas, I had peas before!"

Thanksgiving, the only time I ever enjoyed Luther Reigns

[Goodear]

1 hour ago, Technico Support said:

He dragged a coworker in public, making fun of another human being and using them to get over with a bunch of Internet marks.  It's low and disgusting.  Please don't frame this like Graves had some reasonable, constructive criticism for Renallo that he presented in a professional manner.  He had a shitty, snarky comment that he made purely for Likes or whatever they call it on Twitter.  It's grotesque behavior from a shitty person.

And you're doing the same thing to a more vicious extent except you don't work with these people. So you can call Corey a terrible person despite not knowing Graves on a personal level because you're "right".  Again, the tweet from Corey is not cool.  It's a jerk move.  But calling it some sort of obscene vicious slander because Graves said Mauro talks too much is a bridge too far. And Mauro and the people in this thread reacting as though it is aren't being honest with themselves. Unless we are going to pretend that someone who is bi-polar can't be the subject of any criticism which is ridiculous when he's a public figure.

Graves' tweet is a 2/10 on the bad thing scale and the response is as though he did a 12/10 including saying he should be physically beaten.

[nate]

14 hours ago, Goodear said:

Everyone’s stupid.

Literally my only takeaway for this month.

I'm a career mental health guy.  And I'm lending nothing to this discussion on principle (I likes my pro life and personal interests as separate as possible), but I am fascinated by the discussion as it's transpiring over what constitutes compassion & perception of the basic principles of what it means to suffer with mental illness, from people on the outside looking in.  It legit helps me get a feel for how to coach my clients when they come in, feeling invalidated by family/friends who think that a simple "Why don't you just calm down?" or "There's nothing wrong with you," or "Just get over it already" is enough support.

[Technico Support]

1 hour ago, Goodear said:

And you're doing the same thing to a more vicious extent except you don't work with these people. So you can call Corey a terrible person despite not knowing Graves on a personal level because you're "right".  Again, the tweet from Corey is not cool.  It's a jerk move.  But calling it some sort of obscene vicious slander because Graves said Mauro talks too much is a bridge too far. And Mauro and the people in this thread reacting as though it is aren't being honest with themselves. Unless we are going to pretend that someone who is bi-polar can't be the subject of any criticism which is ridiculous when he's a public figure.

Graves' tweet is a 2/10 on the bad thing scale and the response is as though he did a 12/10 including saying he should be physically beaten.

You're really downplaying everything here in order to be right and I have no idea why I'm replying.  What Graves said is not the issue.  It's how he said it and who he said it to.  This goes beyond "criticism" and you're the one being intellectually dishonest with yourself for claiming such.  Or you just can't wrap your head around it and damn, if that's the case, I feel bad for you.  Context matters.  How you say something, where you say it, and who you say it too all matter.  

Let's take Graves at face value and assume he honestly had an issue with Mauro's commentary style.  Mauro is bipolar and doesn't take well to being fucked with/bullying/etc.  He could:

A) Approach him in private and discuss it

B) Mock him on Twitter

In what world is point B okay?  In what world is that behavior just considered just "criticism?"   Thank you for admitting it's "a jerk move."  Normally, that's all I would call this.  But his target in this case is a guy with an actual and well-documented disorder, which puts this far beyond "jerk move." 

Someone on reddit made the analogy of seeing a person with a broken leg and kicking him in the shin.  Someone else said "talking privately means you're talking TO someone.  Talking publicly means you're talking ABOUT someone."  I don't know why this is so difficult to understand.

 

Edited November 26, 2019 by Technico Support

[Craig H]

15 minutes ago, Technico Support said:

You're really downplaying everything here in order to be right and I have no idea why I'm replying.  What Graves said is not the issue.  It's how he said it and who he said it to.  This goes beyond "criticism" and you're the one being intellectually dishonest with yourself for claiming such.  Or you just can't wrap your head around it and damn, if you do, I feel bad for you.  Context matters.  How you say something, where you say it, and who you say it too all matter.  

Let's take Graves at face value and assume he honestly had an issue with Mauro's commentary style.  Mauro is bipolar and doesn't take well to being fucked with/bullying/etc.  He could:

A) Approach him in private and discuss it

B) Mock him on Twitter

In what world is point B okay?  In what world is that behavior just considered just "criticism?"   Thank you for admitting it's "a jerk move."  Normally, that's all I would call this.  But his target in this case is a guy with an actual and well-documented disorder, which puts this far beyoned "jerk move." 

Someone on reddit made the analogy of seeing a person with a broken leg and kicking him in the shin.  I don't know why this is so difficult to understand.

 

Or, as someone put it on WOL, it would be like if a grocery store had a meeting and you decided to call out one co-worker for being annoying over the intercom letting both customers and employees know.

And it's also not just what Graves said. It was also him replying to and liking others comments knocking Mauro.

I'm sick and fucking tired of the comments like, "well Mauro should know where he's working," or "maybe WWE isn't the best place for Mauro to work," or "he shouldn't be so sensitive," or "people who are bipolar shouldn't be exempt from criticism," or "everyone is pearl clutching." That is all bullshit, it's gross, and it shows a complete lack of understanding. Hey, how about WWE take into consideration those with certain sensitivities and operate like many other professional companies. This company is so full of shit when it comes to anti-bullying and be a star and whatever. How about you put your foot down on mocking your peers outside of any sort of storyline? We've already discussed the part about being sensitive, but the part about being exempt from criticism really irks me. No, that's not what this is about. Mauro or anyone else who has severe depression or ADHD or mental illness or bipolar disorder or any other mental illness isn't exempt from criticism, but maybe take into account what you're saying and how you're saying it. Like you said, having a private conversation would have been far better than mocking someone on Twitter and liking other tweets making fun of Mauro.

[The Natural]

15 hours ago, BEN! said:

If Ranallo didn't run right away to vanity search himself looking to get his ass kissed, he wouldn't have ended up logging off with his chapped ass.  In the words of Chuck D, welcome to the terrordrome.

Also, it's always amusing that whenever it's perceived that Ranallo is up in his feelings that Meltzer starts stirring shit up and dog abandoning Frank Shamrock threatens to punch someone.

 

Watch this. Learn fucking empathy.

Edited November 26, 2019 by The Natural

[paintedbynumbers]

he essentially was a fan watching the show. He said "you also have a hof and former ROH champ calling the show but you wouldn't know it"  was he wrong??  Honestly was he wrong??  Nigel and Beth barely had a chance to get a word in.  I'm not a  huge fan of Beth on commentary but I do love Nigel and neither really got to say much.  Graves being a commentator and a fan in general was reacting to what he saw. Co-worker or not he made an opinion. He didn't @ Mauro in his tweet or attempt to harm him in any way. 

[The Man Known as Dan]

God, remember when wrestling forums were used to talk about wrestling instead of personal dramas between two atrocious announcers?

 

Like, it’s not a shot at anyone here, because anywhere involving wrestling is talking about it and can’t be avoided, it’s just a general frustration of mine. I’m so completely over the “let’s talk about athletes and/or performers real life drama over the actual thing they do” bullshit which dominated culture now a days. It was a big part of why I zoned out from the NBA, and it’s pushing me so far into old wrestling tapes because there I can just acknowledge “yeah, most of the guys in these are probably awful people” and be over it. Social media has gotten everyone closer to the performers, when al it’s revealed is they are just as petty or flawed as anyone else. Shock of shocks.

 

Mini-Rant over, once I’m off work I’m gonna go watch some 84 AWA.