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6 hours ago, JohnnyJ said:

Without going through the laundry list of reasons, I put a lot of thought into whether or not WWE has effectively killed the town. Whether a series of band aids have disguised just how bad it is and what, if anything, would engage the audience. 

Putting blame on Vince is certainly valid, but simply getting rid of him wont magically make good television. So, what needs to happen? 

Take a page from Marvel or DC. Realize what originally brought you to the party (comics, actual wrestling) doesn't appeal to younger audiences enough. Create a true universe with larger-than-life characters with stakes on the line (championships, winning money for an orphanage, whatever). Use their resources (WWE Studios, deals with toy companies, etc.) to create content and merchandise that may appeal to a bigger group.

Be honest about who can be pushed mainstream. I'm sure WWE has this information in-house. Groom those people and market them consistently. Better use social media and digital tools to create mini-franchises for these possible stars within the larger WWE Universe. There are several wrestlers on the roster who could be superhero types. Roll the dice and see where it goes.

The biggest problem for not only WWE, but wrestling at large, is absolutely no growth in the fanbase. There is more wrestling than ever for everyone to watch. No one outside the diehards care. No one even talks about it. Every show is shedding viewers, no matter the promotion. There's being niche, then there's being off the grid. There are two full-time people among the 250+ wrestlers WWE has under contract who are even sniffing non-wrestling success. If wrestling is to grow, a few will need to make it outside the bubble in some way to reach a new audience.

 

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Anyone know what's happened with Billy Jack Haynes? Is he still posting extensive ramblings on Facebook challenging Stone Cold to MMA fights with a $10,000 purse on the line at WrestleMania?

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Was there some miss information about the press conferences in Japan? Earlier in the week it was reported that they’ll have two press conferences. One that turned out to the announcement that NJPW’s parent company bought Stardom, and the other a WWE press conference that might’ve announced NXT Japan. But the later hasn’t  materialized. Was it postponed?

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6 hours ago, Brian Fowler said:

How to get back to 1998 or 1985: find a Steve Austin or Hulk Hogan.

That's it, that's the whole game. When you have the guy at the top that draws new viewers, and is red hot, everything gets hot.

I think about this a lot and how it flies in the face of how WWE does things. A generational talent could get signed tomorrow and he/she would spend the next 6 months to a year sitting in developmental waiting to debut on NXT. Then the next 1-2 years in NXT waiting to get the call. If the fans take to him/her add a year so NXT has someone to headline Takeovers. When they do move up to the main roster, unless the office sees you as a top talent you're lucky to get stuck in 50/50 midcard hell. It's a process that is pointless and actually hurts the chances that the generational talent will ever become anything. 

Meanwhile, AEW comes out of the gate with a Darby Allin type and with a simple message; he's young, he's exciting, and you should care about him. He jumped through 3 years of b.s. and if by unlikely chance he is that generational talent he has the opportunity to get noticed as one. 

 

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2 hours ago, The Natural said:

 

Respect. I think Ali did the same last time as well.

Good on him. While I totally get why guys like Bryan would refuse to go based on their personal beliefs (and I have no argument with that either), this seems a more productive way to do it. 

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16 hours ago, Burgundy LaRue said:

Be honest about who can be pushed mainstream. I'm sure WWE has this information in-house. Groom those people and market them consistently. Better use social media and digital tools to create mini-franchises for these possible stars within the larger WWE Universe. There are several wrestlers on the roster who could be superhero types. Roll the dice and see where it goes.

 

I want a He-Man style cartoon starring Roman Reigns. So many villains from today and yesteryear in the WWE Universe he can battle. 

Also, a show like Ed, Edd, and Eddy starring The New Day. All the funny characters that appear on UUDD could be kid versions of themselves. Alexa Bliss, Samoa Joe, Sasha, Ember Moon, etc.

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2 minutes ago, Burgundy LaRue said:

I don't know why WWE hasn't thought to do a Saturday morning lineup on the Network. It could be similar to the Teen NBC. 

Jeez, did you guys forget Camp WWE, or that stop motion animated program? All currently featuring extremely outdated rosters.

...And probably why they haven’t really invested in more original content? It’s because they’ve all bombed, they’re expensive, and no other network wants to pick them up. Also the WWE Network isn’t going to be a channel anytime soon, as they originally wanted.

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59 minutes ago, LoneWolf&Subs said:

Jeez, did you guys forget Camp WWE, or that stop motion animated program? All currently featuring extremely outdated rosters.

...And probably why they haven’t really invested in more original content? It’s because they’ve all bombed, they’re expensive, and no other network wants to pick them up. Also the WWE Network isn’t going to be a channel anytime soon, as they originally wanted.

The Network is a channel in Canada.

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It is a channel in Canada, but it's as a streaming app that most of its business gets done. 

I forgot Camp WWE back in the early days of the Network. Mix South Park with Brickleberry and somehow make it shittier than either of those shows, and you got Camp WWE. 

I was too busy watching old WCW shows and NXT to do more than watch six minutes of one episode, but man, was it an awful six minutes.

Speaking of NXT and kids shows, does NXT Kids still exist? Is that a thing?

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1 hour ago, LoneWolf&Subs said:

Jeez, did you guys forget Camp WWE, or that stop motion animated program? All currently featuring extremely outdated rosters.

...And probably why they haven’t really invested in more original content? It’s because they’ve all bombed, they’re expensive, and no other network wants to pick them up. Also the WWE Network isn’t going to be a channel anytime soon, as they originally wanted.

TNBC wasn't animated.

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15 hours ago, JohnnyJ said:

I think about this a lot and how it flies in the face of how WWE does things. A generational talent could get signed tomorrow and he/she would spend the next 6 months to a year sitting in developmental waiting to debut on NXT. Then the next 1-2 years in NXT waiting to get the call. If the fans take to him/her add a year so NXT has someone to headline Takeovers. When they do move up to the main roster, unless the office sees you as a top talent you're lucky to get stuck in 50/50 midcard hell. It's a process that is pointless and actually hurts the chances that the generational talent will ever become anything. 

It's not just how it flies in the face of WWE doing things, but also: No one ever gets excited about that band in the buzz bin/Find them First bin at CD stores. People may like them, but the really big acts don't spend multiple albums on "they're going to be a big hit one day, trust us..."- they take a new album and take the world by the balls.

This ties to wrestling, because as said- to really click as a generational talent: You probably need 1-2 years on the indie scene to catch a bit of buzz. Then, the 6 months to a year in developmental, then 1-2 in NXT, then a year to headline Takeover, then the main roster...and by main roster time, even the guys the office think will become something usually will take about 3 years to get to the main event...IF they're lucky, and IF they see you as a main eventer.

With all of those things, what should have taken "3 years for a meteoric rise to take the world by the short hairs and run roughshod" is suddenly an 8 year career, AT LEAST, to get to the top. Keep in mind there that Kofi Kingston was seen as notably big for having an 11 year career to make it to the WWE Title, and it was long enough it seemed like a huge deal there to give the belt to a deserving worker...and you see the problem.

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