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He's a waste of space. They did such a great job at building up the match that I forgot how much I thought Dillinger was goodfernothing in NXT. Dumb signing.

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5 hours ago, Casey said:

I'm still wondering why ODB was so goddamn over. I didn't get it when she was in TNA, and I still don't get it.

She grabs her tits and likes to drink?

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If they're doing Tully's army, they should have him recruit (short term) everyone who joins from Impact. Everyone will assume that Tessa is the conduit he's getting them through, so when she eventually joins the angle is already in place.

In terms of the EVPs signing their friends, Brandon Cutler and Michael Nakazawa both have more upside than Spears. But let's just put that down to Cali indies and DDT being better at developing new interesting talent than pre-Performance Centre WWE developmental programmes.

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I very much liked this show.  My shins are terrified of guardrails.  But I very much liked this show.  

 

Loved The Judas Effect tonight.  Which is better.

Angelico and Evans are my favorite tag team.

I didn’t miss Moxley.

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At the end of the day, Tye Dillinger is still Tye Dillinger. No shock there.

yay for Arn for still having the best spinebuster in the business.

Boo everyone for traumatizing that poor doggo.

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Leave doggo home next time.

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6 minutes ago, Brandon Bones said:

I very much liked this show.  My shins are terrified of guardrails.  But I very much liked this show.  

 

Why did almost every dive go to a side of the ring other than the one where the ramp was? I get that it looks contrived when dives are only ever towards the entrance ramp, but it's super dangerous when the rails are that close to the ring. Nobody wants another DJ Z/ Jesse Sorensen situation.

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I liked the Spears match (mostly because of Cody and all the bells and whistles), but he really is sub-replacement level. Darby should have gotten the big spot. I'm sure they'll revisit that match down the line. 

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1 hour ago, Tromatagon said:

Nobody following the "dumb bastard" with "it's a sailboat not a schooner" disappointed me

Late to the party, but a schooner is a sailboat.

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1 hour ago, LoneWolf&Subs said:

I’m sad that there weren’t any of the following in the Cracker Barrel Clash...

1. Corn Bread 

2. Rocking chairs

3. A harmonica 

4. The golf tee puzzle thingy

  5. *Marty Scurll with five empty rocking chairs.

*Yeah, I know he's not able to escape ROH yet.

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I've seen enough of Riho to see that she ain't it.  She's okay but the women's division is lacking a true star right now.  I think Jazz and Tenille and the likes actually look more like stars than Riho.  

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4 minutes ago, Niners Fan in CT said:

I've seen enough of Riho to see that she ain't it.  She's okay but the women's division is lacking a true star right now.  I think Jazz and Tenille and the likes actually look more like stars than Riho.  

I agree. I felt they should’ve went with Shida, who can give out that badass vibe like Asuka, if given the chance.

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15 minutes ago, Overly Critical Man said:

At the end of the day, Tye Dillinger is still Tye Dillinger. No shock there.

yay for Arn for still having the best spinebuster in the business.

Boo everyone for traumatizing that poor doggo.

Cody tweeted that the loud fireworks weren't supposed to go off. Still, the dog already showed it didn't like being in front of super loud audiences. All the CBD in the world ain't going to calm him down. Bring him to meet and greets and all that shit but no more trotting him out in front of rabid crowds.

Also, Excalibur said the word "perineum" on a major wrestling show. This after the infamous "phalanx of phalluses" from All In. He's the man. Brother just needs to get a little more comfortable with the in-between match segments and he's golden.

As for the women, even the joshi wrestlers they're bringing in aren't near the cream of the crop. Shida is pretty good. Riho is fine. Sakazaki has a cute gimmick and is over but not all that great in the ring. Miyu Yamashita is the best of the TJP women from what I've seen. But Kenny has history with Shida, DDT, and Riho, so there you go.

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1 minute ago, Overly Critical Man said:

I agree. I felt they should’ve went with Shida, who can give out that badass vibe like Asuka, if given the chance.

I thought Shida was going over and was disappointed when she didn't.   I think Riho works way too soft for her size.  Kairi is small but I buy everything she does because she's moving a hundred miles an hour or throwing stiff strikes.  

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17 minutes ago, AxB said:

Why did almost every dive go to a side of the ring other than the one where the ramp was? I get that it looks contrived when dives are only ever towards the entrance ramp, but it's super dangerous when the rails are that close to the ring. Nobody wants another DJ Z/ Jesse Sorensen situation.

It’s probably a confidence thing.  Rationalized by some guys that have wrestled in huge venues and small venues.  So they figure they can squeeze a dive into any space without an issue.  That ringside area should be a bit bigger for those attempts.

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Dwayne tweeted about All Out. It seems he liked it. Can't link on my phone.

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3 minutes ago, Niners Fan in CT said:

I thought Shida was going over and was disappointed when she didn't.   I think Riho works way too soft for her size.  Kairi is small but I buy everything she does because she's moving a hundred miles an hour or throwing stiff strikes.  

Kairi’s isn’t that small is she? Like I’m sure she towers over teeny tiny Alexa Bliss.

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Just now, LoneWolf&Subs said:

Kairi’s isn’t that small is she? Like I’m sure she towers over teeny tiny Alexa Bliss.

Kairi is actually about five feet tall herself.

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3 minutes ago, LoneWolf&Subs said:

Kairi’s isn’t that small is she? Like I’m sure she towers over teeny tiny Alexa Bliss.

Uhm, Kairi's billed height is 5'1. She and bliss were around the same height when they faced off for the tag titles. The only women smaller than the two of them in WWE are Kacy and Zelina.

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3 minutes ago, Overly Critical Man said:

Kairi is actually about five feet tall herself.

She's billed as 5' 1" so she might not even be that.

Edit: A second too slow!

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First, maybe they ought to consider canceling matches on the Buy In.  It may be cursed.  The Women's Casino Royale looked like a bunch of sloppy Indie nonsense.  The Baker-Presley aisle battle was a highlight and a couple ppl looked alright, but overall that was overly sloppy fake wrestling at it's weakest.  The Private Party-Angelico/Evans bout felt completely flat too.  Private Party are green as grass.  They've got a couple neat spots, but they're inexperienced work is going to have a lot of ppl changing the channel.  Evans/Angelico seemed to be moving in slo-mo here.  Perhaps to reel in the PPs.  Angelico's look is either really unique or really awkward - to me it's the latter.  He clearly has something, but he looks ridiculous.  I, like the Chicago crowd, wanted to get behind these guys, but I felt bored and irritated by all the bad choreography.  

SCU-Lucha Express seemed like a pretty strong opener.  Only saw the hi-lis.  Lucha Express are an early success for AEW and are continuing to build momentum.  As somebody mentioned Stunt even looked good here.  SCU are pros and perfect guys to reel in some of the vert undercard.

Omega-Pac looked fab-o, but have yet to see the full match.  I don't like seeing Kenny take the loss, but I'm certainly willing to see where it goes.  That 3 way junk match looked really fun in clips - doesn't make a whole lot of sense putting Havoc over, but again let's wait and see.  Allin's another clear early success.  He didn't need the win, but why not have him go over two guys who also don't need the win and can't possibly be in the plans for anything further up the card.  I like Janela's charisma, a lot, but he has the slight look of a wrestler/manager.  And that's where I really hope he's positioned.  He's solid on the mic, but far too unimposing to be taken seriously as an in-ring threat to anybody even half way up the card.

Dark Order-Best Friends clips looked good, but sounds like it fell very flat.  I like both teams and hope they're able to elevate themselves as they get more experienced in front of the cameras.  Orange Cassidy is absolutely fantastic!  He seems right for a lights out debut.  Loved the hands in pocket dive.  So many ppl are underestimating how big this guy could be. They're focusing on what he's DONE and how it will get old.  And that could be very true.  I'm of the belief they're, and he's, ready to expand what is the Orange Cassidy character (not to mention he can actually work) and in due time he's gonna be a big player.    

Riho-Shida was good enough.  I hope they realize from putting them out their ice cold how much better it could be with a bit of promo.  They need to show video packages of some of their highlights and tell us a little more about them in a VTR package.  The crowd was really flat for this, and I don't think it's to blame on match order.  You cannot expect these two unknowns to simply get over without some kind of promotion of their abilities or aims.  Further, moving forth, I hope they start sliding in a few more quick promos between the matches.

Cody-Spears seems to have divided the audience.  I thought it was good and what it needed to be.  The overbooking worked well.  One complaint, what happened that Tully left?  He wasn't thrown out by the referee from what I could see.  That didn't make any sense.  I was watching this thinking the Jeers to Spears campaign might come to a close, but it seems to be still alive.  He at no time has been suggested or pushed like an unbeatable main eventer.  What's wrong with him getting a profile match on an early PPV to help get him over as a minor threat (I don't mean a hardcore favorite)?  To my eyes he did a really good job getting Cody and the match over.  Further, this talk of Cody 'Jarretting' himself is also being overstated.  He beat a mid-card heel in a match they got over with a few videos - so what?  Further, he's one of the most over guys in the company.  His work with the crowd is fabulous.  From what I'm seeing, Cody, tho not without his mistakes, is hitting a thousand thus far.    

I lthink @Craig H 's comments here are very accurate...

2 hours ago, Craig H said:

I mean, the plan all along could have just been to elevate Cody further and Spears, good hand that he is, was a perfect tool for that. He's not good enough to outshine Cody in the ring, but they can craft a good though story to make a win over Spears look like a big enough deal.

As for Cody, I've been a big fan of his for a long while more. Again, this is the only place that I see Cody get shit on as much as he does. Dude's a star, he's really good in the ring, and he's even better on the mic.

A couple notes from @Godfrey   

5 hours ago, Godfrey said:

They’re forecasting that MJF turn so hard it almost seems like a red herring.

The ladder match lost me when Penta encouraged Matt to go for the tandem Spears through tables spot even though it meant his own partner would get hurt, but the spectacle of the match was cool. Ready to move on. I still think the Bucks should try splitting up for a bit but I get why they wouldn’t.

Yeah, this MJF turn looks so obvious that it makes Cody look like a bit of an idiot for trusting him.  Let's see how they explain all this.  

The Ladder Match had some nice spots, but I agree on that spot Godfrey mentions above amongst a couple other cute and stupid spots.  I'm forgetting who was who on that odd looking ladder push off, but that looked dangerous and sloppy.  Glad no one was injured.  The finish felt really badly timed out and anti-climactic (but that does seem to happen in Ladder matches).  The LAX debut got over fairly well considering how awkward it came off.  It needed to be big move, bang, rip the masks off.  Too much indecision and stammering around in such a short time frame.  But whatever, end result is it looks like a nice addition to the division.  Especially with so many of the teams looking in need of some serious in ring TV time before they're really truly ready.

Jericho-Page seemed good, but I was distracted most of the way.  It just didn't have any intrigue over who would be the eventual winner.  I liked Page rolling to the ring on the horse.  I think Page is money as a heel, but he doesn't work for me as a babyface (thus far).  On a show full of really terrible music, Jericho may have the worst theme music of all.  I was able to bring some focus to the stretch drive and they told a good story.  And the action was pretty solid.  The Chicago crowd really helped this bout.  And the finish was strong.  The boo birds on the Judas Effect seem to have been wiped away.  I'm fully behind this grizzled veteran heel and very natural Chris Jericho.  That post match backstage celebration was as good as AEW has been thus far.  Lots and lots of promo time deserved for Chris Jericho on TNT.    

Overall I dug the show.  I do hope they're seeing the glaring issues and working to address them.  My feeling is - they are.  Having NXT opposite them on Wednesdays should be a really great way for them to see what isn't working (eg. most everything to do with the Women's division, the underdeveloped portions of the undercard, etc.)

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3 minutes ago, Eivion said:

Uhm, Kairi's billed height is 5'1. She and bliss were around the same height when they faced off for the tag titles. The only women smaller than the two of them in WWE are Kacy and Zelina.

Yeah, I just read that now on her wiki. Her shoe billed size is 5.

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1 minute ago, LoneWolf&Subs said:

Yeah, I just read that now on her wiki. Her shoe billed size is 5.

Io by the way is only half an inch or so taller.

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Did my dude just write 10 paragraphs about a show he only watched, like, 3 full matches of?

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