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Wow, Clemens and Bonds look like they might make the cut. If that's where they're at now then their chances look good.

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You think so? I was thinking with them as high as they are that they would wind up moving up than down. I suppose it could go just as easily the other way.

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Keep in mind private voters who don't release there ballot tend to be "traditionalists" They tend to be Anti-Steroids, Anti-DH, and Anti-Sabremetrics.

Martinez, Bonds, and Clemens percentage will probably fall. The question is how much will Edgar fall.

 

Also, I really like Jim Thome as a player, but I am pretty unconvinced he was a better player then Scott Rolen was.

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He was definitely a better and more valuable player than Rolen. 

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I still don't understand the people who vote Clemens but not Bonds (there is at least one in the released ballots)

Because it is either a case where you are only applying the PED standard to one and not the other.

OR

You only think one is a Hall of Famer

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5 minutes ago, PetrolCB said:

He was definitely a better and more valuable player than Rolen. 

Scott Rolen- 70.1 career WAR

Jim Thome- 68.9 career WAR

Basically, Thome was certainly a better hitter over the course of his career, but Rolen was an incredible defensive 3B on top it. Rolen is basically the new Ron Santo: clearly HOF worthy 3B who is gonna have a hard time getting in because people don't know how to properly evaluate 3B's.

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As a Phillies fan, I can say that between Thome and Rolen, one was a beloved clubhouse leader, and the other was a whiny locker room cancer...so there's your intangibles...

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10 hours ago, PetrolCB said:

He was definitely a better and more valuable player than Rolen. 

Only if you ignore defense completely. 

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On 12/19/2017 at 11:36 AM, RIPPA said:

I still don't understand the people who vote Clemens but not Bonds (there is at least one in the released ballots)

You ever heard of the "paper bag test"?

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Okay - I should have clarified that outside of the racial issue since that would definitely be the #1 issue

Especially with some of the old timers still in the BBWAA

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56 minutes ago, Cristobal said:

You ever heard of the "paper bag test"?

While Clemens could be a prick Bonds was like 10x worse. As a kid I went to sporting events constantly and the three biggest total assholes I ever had the misfortune of meeting are Bonds, Keyshawn Johnson and Mark Messier. They were the polar opposite of say Tim Raines, Wesley Walker or Guy Lefleur. It may not be fair but I bet that's why some are withholding their votes.

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Willie McCovey has spoken up against Joe Morgan and thinks it's a sin Bonds isn't in.

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Willie McCovey is a wise man and has always been a class act. Joe Morgan has always been an asshat and is just possibly the most obnoxious 2nd baseman in the HOF and that's saying something when your peers are Sandberg, Hornsby, and Alomar. 

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What the Fuck?

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That's what a seizure looks like in typed form, I suppose. Is he okay?

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21 hours ago, OSJ said:

Willie McCovey is a wise man and has always been a class act. Joe Morgan has always been an asshat and is just possibly the most obnoxious 2nd baseman in the HOF and that's saying something when your peers are Sandberg, Hornsby, and Alomar. 

Ryno was always nice to me as a kid seeking autographs at Shea and was always willing to sign so I'm going to stick up for him here.

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I don't know why but Sandberg is persona non grata here in his hometown of Spokane. Severely disliked and his name brings dirty looks. 

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Reminder that the deadline to submit a HOF ballot has passed so now its just a matter of who else reveals their ballot.

Announcement is Jan 24

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Tabe continues to be literally the only person I know of that has anything bad to say about Ryno. For Christ's sake, Ryno leaves his address out and open so you can send him whatever stuff you want him to sign and $20. Sandberg will then sign your stuff, send it back to you, and donate the $20 to charity. He recently signed a vintage ASG hat from when the game was at Wrigley for me along with a regular old baseball.

When he was a minor league manager, he stayed well after the game to sign jerseys, baseballs, and whatever else for anyone who stuck around. He didn't bitch or moan and was pleasant to everyone. I know because I was there.

Dude has always been a class act.

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To be fair - this whole discussion started because OSJ had a bad thing to say about Ryno. So that's two people

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3 minutes ago, Craig H said:

Tabe continues to be literally the only person I know of that has anything bad to say about Ryno. For Christ's sake, Ryno leaves his address out and open so you can send him whatever stuff you want him to sign and $20. Sandberg will then sign your stuff, send it back to you, and donate the $20 to charity. He recently signed a vintage ASG hat from when the game was at Wrigley for me along with a regular old baseball.

When he was a minor league manager, he stayed well after the game to sign jerseys, baseballs, and whatever else for anyone who stuck around. He didn't bitch or moan and was pleasant to everyone. I know because I was there.

Dude has always been a class act.

That is great and all, but if you can't go back to your hometown I have all the questions about you as a human being.  People will always root for the hometown boy, see Barry Bonds, and his hometown seems to hate him.  That ain't nothing.

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