LoneWolf&Subs Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 1 hour ago, West Newbury Bad Boy said: The company listens to the fans way too much when they’re really vocal. It’s why Becky was inserted into the Charlotte-Ronda Mania match we should have gotten. Don’t @ me. I’m more upset the Carmella era was cut short. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nate Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, nate said: One night Battlebowl tourney, featuring teams comprised of random pairings of these 16 wrestlers: Peak Vader. Peak Danielson. Peak Samoa Joe. Peak Sting. Peak Bret. Peak Savage. Peak Hennig. Peak Owen. Peak Liger. Peak Eddie. Peak Angle. Peak Lesnar. Peak Muta. Peak Flair. Peak Steamboat. Peak Punk. Battle Royal of the winners as the main, where the last two have a standard one-fall match. Then I got curious, so I ran this three times: Random trial 1: Flair/Muta vs. Eddie/Danielson Vader/Owen vs. Bret/Joe Angle/Sting vs. Hennig/Steamboat Liger/Punk vs. Lesnar/Savage Random trial 2: Vader/Steamboat vs. Liger/Bret Sting/Joe vs. Savage/Lesnar Hennig/Danielson vs. Angle/Flair Owen/Eddie vs. Muta/Punk Random trial 3: Liger/Muta vs. Flair/Punk Savage/Joe vs. Angle/Steamboat Vader/Lesnar vs. Bret/Owen Eddie/Danielson vs. Hennig/Sting That Savage/Lesnar team, though. THAT EDDIE/DANIELSON TEAM, THOUGH. Edited August 25, 2019 by nate Yeah, I don't know how I fucked that up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Custos Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 4 hours ago, AxB said: Suplex City? Yeah, blame the fans for that one. Well I think that was more the WWE’s literal interpretation of Suplex City to mean ‘ten German suplexes and an F5’. When Brock shouted out ‘Suplex City, bitch!’ it was a cool statement that summed up the inevitable arse kicking to come. So folks started chanted it. It would be akin to seeing ‘Austin 3:16’ catching on and then WWE making Austin stand in a pulpit every week giving a sermon. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caley Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 4 hours ago, West Newbury Bad Boy said: I never want to see that stupid briefcase or cash-in gimmick ever again. Contrarily, I LOVE the MITB briefcase and cash-ins. There’s no easier way to pop the crowd than to tease a cash-in. Sure they often lead to short-term pops that result in long term storyline problems but you can most of that on WWE/Vince not plotting things out long term (Seriously have they planned anything long term since Reigns-Lesnar which they scrapped at the last second anyways). Changes I’d make to the MITB to make it more...better: 1. Go back to guys/gals carrying the case long term. The last few they get rid of the whole thing in a hurry. Part of what made the Edge one so exciting was that he held it for soooo long. 2. MITB winners should be younger, up and comer type wrestlers. Lesnar, Bayley et al. are much less interesting picks than, say, Big E and Ember Moon. Even if it’s just a flash pin situation guys like Punk and Ziggler using it felt like bigger moments than Bayley and Lesnar. 3. The MITB case should be defended on occasion like a belt. Heck, you could make it a belt. 04. For the love of all that is holy, stop calling the case holders “Mr. Money in the Bank” or “Ms Money in the Bank” (Or Monster in the Bank, ffs)! It sounds so stupid and always reminds me of this: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Cincinnati Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 The cash ins make no sense and help nobody. It was fine with Edge because he was a scum bag exploiting a contractural loophole nobody had ever thought of before. Now? Why hasn’t the loophole been closed? While we’re at it, I could do with fewer car crash ladder matches. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSmUgly Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 I could do with fewer ladder matches in general. There is no way to consume wrestling without doing so in a way that derives enjoyment from guys having mini-car crashes every time they bump, but even knowing that, I just can't get into these ladder matches where guys are taking bumps from way up, plummeting through tables or other gimmicked ladders or what-have-you anymore. I think my tastes have skewed toward wrestling that isn't so fast-paced AND bump-heavy at the same time. I basically watch old-school WoS and a lot of slower-paced '70s stuff. I went on a '70s AWA run on YouTube just recently. This has also happened to me with sports, as I don't watch American football anymore and I really only watch soccer and basketball (and yes, I know soccer players get CTE from heading the soccer ball, but there aren't a bunch of Richie Incognitos running around the sport, either). I'd much rather watch Jerry Lawler work a match around a cut eyebrow and a bunch of punches than watch dudes kill themselves falling from height. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWolf&Subs Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 (edited) 44 minutes ago, West Newbury Bad Boy said: While we’re at it, I could do with fewer car crash ladder matches. Fuck yeah... I can’t stand multi-man ladder matches, with all the contrived set-ups just to create contrived spots. Like when somebody is going to climb a ladder, but before he does that, he decides to wedge another ladder in there for no reason at all. Those Mania 3-ways from the early 00’s age like the Pepsi inside the golden Yoda collectible can. Edited August 25, 2019 by LoneWolf&Subs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Cincinnati Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 I still have a fondness for those wild ladder matches of nearly two decades ago. But that freshness has long since disappeared. That NXT tag match couple months back was the dirt worst. Too close to MITB to stand out. Too many teams without any serious heat. Too many risks in a match nobody remembered two weeks later. I felt nothing positive watching that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 I think my enthusiasm for ladder matches waned after the injuries starting piling up, especially the Joey Matthews facial injury. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSmUgly Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 (edited) I quite used to love those Hardys/E+C/Dudleys matches too, but knowing how Edge and Christian both had to retire because of neck issues and how Jeff's got a narcotics problem now, that makes them hard to watch for me. The closer that I creep toward forty, the more my tastes change, and in some pretty significant ways. I think the only two things about wrestling that I will continue to think until I'm dead is that Randy Savage was awesome and 1992 WCW is amazing. Edited August 25, 2019 by Smelly McUgly 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattdangerously Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 16 minutes ago, Smelly McUgly said: Randy Savage was awesome and 1992 WCW is amazing. That's just a fact. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SorceressKnight Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Heck, with all the questions of the problem of MITB, I'm just shocked that WWE hasn't done the Breakthrough Battle Royal since the one time they did it to build to Sheamus/Cena. The concept of: "Qualifying matches to go to a battle royal, winner gets a shot at the champion for the World Title, and only people who would be a first-time World Champion are eligible to qualify" would have all the benefits of MITB at its best, and none of the problems MITB has at its worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 2 hours ago, Infinit said: Holy shit...Michael Elgin totally could've been a Steiner cousin. Crash Steiner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 Present Walter vs 1995 Bret Hart WarGames: 1989 Sting, 1983 Hulk Hogan, 1987 Road Warriors and 1996 Shawn Michaels vs. 1993 Vader, 2005 Samoa Joe, 1978 Andre The Giant, 2006 Big Show and 1992 Ric Flair 1998 Chris Jericho vs 1988 Randy Savage 1992 Mick Foley vs 2006 John Cena The Fiend and 1986 Jake Roberts vs 1989 Ricky Steamboat and 1992 Brian Pillman 1978 Roddy Piper vs 2004 Eddy Guerrero 1987 Tully and Arn vs 2006 London and Kendrick vs The Viking Raiders vs 1992 Steiners Current Day Koko B Ware and Future Dustin from Stranger Things vs 1993 AC Slater and 1993 Dick Slater 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 @Smelly McUgly I don't think the company learned anything from having Reigns go over Bryan and then Bryan bowing to him in a promo segment. They did the same thing with Asuka and Charlotte and neither of them have been hot since. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph2112 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 22 minutes ago, Johnny Sorrow said: Crash Steiner? What about Dances With Steiner? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyld Samurai Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 Rey Misterio Jr vs Tiger Mask Owen Hart & Chris Benoit vs Chris Jericho & Eddy Guerrero Hulk Hogan vs Walter Mr Perfect & Rick Rude vs The Kings of Wrestling Toshiaki Kawada vs Samoa Joe Bret Hart vs Brad Armstrong Shinya Hashimoto vs Jumbo Tsuruta Steve Austin vs Harley Race 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 If you were to nominate matches where either: a) two good workers simply wouldn't mesh together and it results in an unexpected trainwreck (think Hennig/Michaels at Summerslam) b) a match featuring one great to good worker with the biggest challenge for them to get a good match possible What would they be? For a), I don't understand how Bret/Angle is constantly trumpeted as a dream match - I genuinely think it'd be a trainwreck watching Bret try to work a slower pace, only for Angle to be popping up during every single one of the five moves of doom, and trying to turn them into suplex sequences or Angle Slam reversal two counts. I also wouldn't mind seeing a Ric Flair/Captain Lou Albano match for B. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWolf&Subs Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 9 minutes ago, RolandTHTG said: If you were to nominate matches where either: a) two good workers simply wouldn't mesh together and it results in an unexpected trainwreck (think Hennig/Michaels at Summerslam) b) a match featuring one great to good worker with the biggest challenge for them to get a good match possible What would they be? A) Basically anybody prior to 2002 North American wrestling Vs. 90’s AJPW’s top roster in the US. If these guys bitched about DDP, and Savage scripting, just wait till foreigners ask them to plan spots before matches. B) Back to 90’s AJPW... Savage, or DDP Vs. 90’s AJPW. Specifically DDP, who I know would mesh well with those guys since DDP loved to choreograph counter spots into his matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Lord Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 1 hour ago, RolandTHTG said: Present Walter vs 1995 Bret Hart Bret would never take those chops. He hated taking Flair's chops. Though building a whole match around can Walter chop him once would be amazing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyld Samurai Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 I would much rather be intrigued by a Kurt Angle vs Jack Brisco main event than a Angle vs Bret. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 Flair vs Albano is now a dream match I'll never see, thanks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Wyld Samurai said: Shinya Hashimoto vs Jumbo Tsuruta It really is a shame we never got this. Jumbo was out of the sport right before Hash split off. If Hash had left earlier we wouldn't have gotten him vs. Tenryu and if Jumbo had stuck around through the NOAH split he would have possibly been way too old for the match to be any good. But if they had hooked up in the '80s, like if young Hash had jumped with the Choshu group to All Japan? Whoa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RRR Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 Religious Sting vs. Religious Michaels Hulk Hogan vs. New Day Andre vs Big Show Brock vs. Yano Pentagon Jr. vs. Great Sasuke Dolph vs. Road Warriors with Paul Ellering Paul Heyman vs. Irwin R. Scheister Kevin Nash vs. Orange Cassidy 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWolf&Subs Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Zartan said: Kevin Nash vs. Orange Cassidy It would be a horrible gag, but them doing a big production, with match graphic, and pre-match video only for the ring announcer to inform the crowd neither man will be performing tonight would be the the greatest rib ever pulled. Edited August 26, 2019 by LoneWolf&Subs 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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