GuerrillaMonsoon Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Johnny Sorrow said: Flair vs Albano is now a dream match I'll never see, thanks. Surely a <10 minute draw due to both men's blood loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 When was the last time a big match did the 3 guest judges spot? I remember TNA doing it a lot early on in the Fox Sports Impacts. That'd be a great way to redebut someone, in either the Dory Funk angle of one guy changing their vote for the challenger to the defending heel champion at the last minute, or the Terry Funk version of requesting a title shot from the winner afterwards and laying a beatdown on him afterwards instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Lord Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Zartan said: Brock vs. Yano It would be the greatest 20 minute match with one minute of action ever. Plus Yano would have a legit chance since everyone punches Brock in the balls and wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 3 hours ago, Phantom Lord said: Bret would never take those chops. He hated taking Flair's chops. Though building a whole match around can Walter chop him once would be amazing. That'd work. I literally just saw a 10-12 minute match with Ryosuke Taguchi finally building to hitting a butt bump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octopus Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) 1994 Dustin Rhodes vs Modern Dustin Rhodes Tables match: 1987 Bret Hart & Jim Neidhart vs 2000 The Dudley Boyz 2006 Bryan Danielson vs Hall of Pain Mark Henry Shoot: Angriest Harley Race vs Angriest Haku 1996 Stone Cold Steve Austin vs 1989 Terry Funk Prime Gorgeous George vs 1981 Jerry Lawler 2005 The Undertaker vs 1989 Ric Flair 1984 Hulk Hogan, Rikidozan, and El Santo vs 1981 Andre the Giant, 1985 Rowdy Roddy Piper, and 2002 The Rock (team managed by three different time period Bobby Heenans). Edited August 26, 2019 by OctopusCinema Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumanChessgame Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 1994 Steve Williams vs. 2004 Samoa Joe Furnas/Kroffat vs. The Revival Fit Finlay vs. Drew Gulak 1993 Vader vs 2005 Daniel Bryan Bret Hart vs Chis Hero Curt Hennig vs. AJ Styles Kaientai vs. The Elite (maybe add Teoh and Devitt to make it 4 on 4) 1996 Raven vs 2015 Bray Wyatt (I don't even give a fuck about the match, just the crazy buildup) I thought about this match then wondered if it ever happened - did Curt Hennig and Chris Jericho ever wrestle in WCW? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Man Known as Dan Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) Rick Martel and Ricky Steamboat vs. Arn Anderson and Tully Blanchard Austin Aries, Roderick Strong, And Jack Evans vs. The Shield The Fantastics vs. The Revival. William Regal vs. Nick Bockwinkel Sasha Banks vs. Akira Hokuto Cage Match: Jerry Blackwell vs. Mark Henry Bryan Danielson vs. Eddie Guerrero War Games: Samoa Joe, Necro Butcher, Eddie Kingston, Chris Hero, And Homicide vs. Terry Funk, Barry Windham, Dustin Rhodes, Jerry Lawler, And Brian Pillman My card is weird but awesome. Edited August 26, 2019 by The Man Known as Dan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon-E Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 How was Jeff Jarrett's push in 2000 WCW able to avoid the backlash that the Roman Reigns push has gotten other than the fact that Jarrett was a heel at the time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 The world was a different place in 2000. Plus WCW hadn't spent the last 20 years running one 'Evil Authority Figure' angle after another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumanChessgame Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 I remember a ton of blowback about Jarrett at the time. Putting someone like him that people didn't care about on top was yet another sign of WCW going down the tubes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 Also a reflection of how tired WCWs main event scene was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWolf&Subs Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Brandon-E said: How was Jeff Jarrett's push in 2000 WCW able to avoid the backlash that the Roman Reigns push has gotten other than the fact that Jarrett was a heel at the time? It was the fans fault. Same when they wanted Jarrett to drop the belt in TNA. It’s the goddamn fans fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MORELOCK Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 2000 WCW fans didn't go buy WCW tickets to boo Jarrett. They just changed the channel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWolf&Subs Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 Viewership is down, and attendance is down. You’ve even admitted to this, and you’ve brought up the Saudi’s, and Fox for keeping things stable. Is this the CFL, or the NFL? Keep the goal posts where they need to be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MORELOCK Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 55 minutes ago, LoneWolf&Subs said: Viewership is down, and attendance is down. You’ve even admitted to this, and you’ve brought up the Saudi’s, and Fox for keeping things stable. Is this the CFL, or the NFL? Keep the goal posts where they need to be. Go ahead and compare WWE's falling numbers directly to WCW's falling numbers in 2000. The dropoff is nowhere close. Nobody turned on Jarrett because nobody gave a fuck. If you want to define what you think the "goalposts" of this conversation are, I'll address those too, but it sounds like you just want to bitch about modern WWE some more when the conversation we're having is about Jeff Jarrett. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerva Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 11 hours ago, Johnny Sorrow said: Flair vs Albano is now a dream match I'll never see, thanks. I am sure that happened in a Marriott bar at 2 in the morning on a few occasions. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerva Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) double post Edited August 26, 2019 by hammerva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyJ Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 The dynamic between Reigns and the office never made any sense. You have to examine the essence of why the authority figure is evil. They are evil because they have an objective which differs from the fans. Traditionally, they are profit motivated and will rail against someone unconventional who is risky on the top of the card. Reigns was an entirely conventional choice and it was common knowledge that WWE wanted Roman as the face of the company. If that is the case, why are they against him succeeding? Don't they want him to get over and headline all of their shows? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 The thing about people who are blinded by self appreciation is, they aren't very perceptive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted August 26, 2019 Author Share Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) 20 hours ago, Smelly McUgly said: In conclusion, the company should get rid of MitB. It's been used to good effect like three times that I can think of (Edge cash-in on Cena, RVD cash-in on Cena well in advance, Ziggler cash-in on ADR). All the other times, it ends up being a) a shocking swerve tool that creates more problems than it solves for the payoff of an immediate pop or b) a crutch that creative uses to get itself out of bad booking decisions that works in the very short term, but that fucks up their long-term plans entirely. If I'm missing a good example of a cash in that's happened since the end of 2016, please enlighten me. I'd add Edge to The Undertaker as the Undertaker couldn't sit up with what happened to him, made for a good visual that and Seth Rollins on Brock Lesnar but that's a divisive one. Edited August 26, 2019 by The Natural Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godfrey Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 Jeff Jarrett was closer to WCW’s Matt Taven than WCW’s Roman Reigns. Total midcarder in the right place at the right time to become the top guy. And as others have said, people weren’t as mad because by 2000 you had to keep your expectations of WCW pretty low already so nobody really cared. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyLaw Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 5 hours ago, Brandon-E said: How was Jeff Jarrett's push in 2000 WCW able to avoid the backlash that the Roman Reigns push has gotten other than the fact that Jarrett was a heel at the time? 4 hours ago, HumanChessgame said: I remember a ton of blowback about Jarrett at the time. Putting someone like him that people didn't care about on top was yet another sign of WCW going down the tubes. I think being a heel had a lot to do with it, as no one was being asked to buy him as a heroic face. A few years prior, Jarrett got booed as a Horseman... in Charlotte... when they were faces... so had they tried to push “The Chosen One” as a face, it’s highly possible the reaction would have been similar to Reigns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eivion Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 6 hours ago, The Man Known as Dan said: Sasha Banks vs. Akira Hokuto This would be the match Sasha finally breaks her neck in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Godfrey said: Jeff Jarrett was closer to WCW’s Matt Taven than WCW’s Roman Reigns. Total midcarder in the right place at the right time to become the top guy. And as others have said, people weren’t as mad because by 2000 you had to keep your expectations of WCW pretty low already so nobody really cared. Agreed. To me though, Jarrett was kinda the right guy, really wrong era. By 2000, I got tired of this motherfucker bouncing back between promotions being repackaged every other year and it not working. Is he suppose to be Stone Cold 2.0? Why is he coming out to a midi version of a Kid Rock song? Why is he making semi-shoot comments? What the fuck is up with him saying slapnuts? His work was never good enough to be the top guy, which was never the WCW criteria from 1994 on but in an era where the guys who can work are leaving a sinking ship, that worked heavily against him. He has a great match with Chris Benoit at Starrcade 99 and then Chris Benoit leaves WCW 3 or 4 weeks later. Jarrett felt like he got the role because everyone worth a damn had already left (or sat at home collecting paychecks), WCW's overall ineptness, and the godawful booking. It was so hard to buy him as being the guy because most of the stuff they had him do was so contrived. Edited August 26, 2019 by Elsalvajeloco 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 The only time Jeff Jarrett was ever worth more than a wet fart was when he was bleeding in Memphis 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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