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When was the last time a big match did the 3 guest judges spot? I remember TNA doing it a lot early on in the Fox Sports Impacts.

That'd be a great way to redebut someone, in either the Dory Funk angle of one guy changing their vote for the challenger to the defending heel champion at the last minute, or the Terry Funk version of requesting a title shot from the winner afterwards and laying a beatdown on him afterwards instead.

 

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3 hours ago, Phantom Lord said:

Bret would never take those chops. He hated taking Flair's chops. Though building a whole match around can Walter chop him once would be amazing.

That'd work. I literally just saw a 10-12 minute match with Ryosuke Taguchi finally building to hitting a butt bump.

 

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1994 Dustin Rhodes vs Modern Dustin Rhodes

Tables match: 1987 Bret Hart & Jim Neidhart vs 2000 The Dudley Boyz 

2006 Bryan Danielson vs Hall of Pain Mark Henry

Shoot: Angriest Harley Race vs Angriest Haku

1996 Stone Cold Steve Austin vs 1989 Terry Funk

Prime Gorgeous George vs 1981 Jerry Lawler

2005 The Undertaker vs 1989 Ric Flair

1984 Hulk Hogan, Rikidozan, and El Santo vs 1981 Andre the Giant, 1985 Rowdy Roddy Piper, and 2002 The Rock (team managed by three different time period Bobby Heenans).

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1994 Steve Williams vs. 2004 Samoa Joe

Furnas/Kroffat vs. The Revival

Fit Finlay vs. Drew Gulak

1993 Vader vs 2005 Daniel Bryan

Bret Hart vs Chis Hero

Curt Hennig vs. AJ Styles

Kaientai vs. The Elite (maybe add Teoh and Devitt to make it 4 on 4)

1996 Raven vs 2015 Bray Wyatt (I don't even give a fuck about the match, just the crazy buildup)

I thought about this match then wondered if it ever happened - did Curt Hennig and Chris Jericho ever wrestle in WCW?

 

 

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Rick Martel and Ricky Steamboat vs. Arn Anderson and Tully Blanchard

Austin Aries, Roderick Strong, And Jack Evans vs. The Shield

The Fantastics vs. The Revival.

William Regal vs. Nick Bockwinkel

Sasha Banks vs. Akira Hokuto 

Cage Match: Jerry Blackwell vs. Mark Henry

Bryan Danielson vs. Eddie Guerrero 

War Games: Samoa Joe, Necro Butcher, Eddie Kingston, Chris Hero, And Homicide vs. Terry Funk, Barry Windham, Dustin Rhodes, Jerry Lawler, And Brian Pillman

 

My card is weird but awesome.

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The world was a different place in 2000.  Plus WCW hadn't spent the last 20 years running one 'Evil Authority Figure' angle after another.

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1 hour ago, Brandon-E said:

How was Jeff Jarrett's push in 2000 WCW able to avoid the backlash that the Roman Reigns push has gotten other than the fact that Jarrett was a heel at the time?

It was the fans fault. Same when they wanted Jarrett to drop the belt in TNA. It’s the goddamn fans fault.

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55 minutes ago, LoneWolf&Subs said:

Viewership is down, and attendance is down. You’ve even admitted to this, and you’ve brought up the Saudi’s, and Fox for keeping things stable.

Is this the CFL, or the NFL? Keep the goal posts where they need to be.


Go ahead and compare WWE's falling numbers directly to WCW's falling numbers in 2000. The dropoff is nowhere close. Nobody turned on Jarrett because nobody gave a fuck.

If you want to define what you think the "goalposts" of this conversation are, I'll address those too, but it sounds like you just want to bitch about modern WWE some more when the conversation we're having is about Jeff Jarrett.

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The dynamic between Reigns and the office never made any sense. You have to examine the essence of why the authority figure is evil. They are evil because they  have an objective which differs from the fans. Traditionally, they are profit motivated and will rail against someone unconventional who is risky on the top of the card. 

Reigns was an entirely conventional choice and it was common knowledge that WWE wanted Roman as the face of the company. If that is the case, why are they  against him succeeding? Don't they want him to get over and headline all of their shows? 

 

 

 

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20 hours ago, Smelly McUgly said:

In conclusion, the company should get rid of MitB. It's been used to good effect like three times that I can think of (Edge cash-in on Cena, RVD cash-in on Cena well in advance, Ziggler cash-in on ADR). 

All the other times, it ends up being a) a shocking swerve tool that creates more problems than it solves for the payoff of an immediate pop or b) a crutch that creative uses to get itself out of bad booking decisions that works in the very short term, but that fucks up their long-term plans entirely. 

If I'm missing a good example of a cash in that's happened since the end of 2016, please enlighten me. 

I'd add Edge to The Undertaker as the Undertaker couldn't sit up with what happened to him, made for a good visual that and Seth Rollins on Brock Lesnar but that's a divisive one.

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Jeff Jarrett was closer to WCW’s Matt Taven than WCW’s Roman Reigns. Total midcarder in the right place at the right time to become the top guy. And as others have said, people weren’t as mad because by 2000 you had to keep your expectations of WCW pretty low already so nobody really cared.

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5 hours ago, Brandon-E said:

How was Jeff Jarrett's push in 2000 WCW able to avoid the backlash that the Roman Reigns push has gotten other than the fact that Jarrett was a heel at the time?

 

4 hours ago, HumanChessgame said:

I remember a ton of blowback about Jarrett at the time. Putting someone like him that people didn't care about on top was yet another sign of WCW going down the tubes.

I think being a heel had a lot to do with it, as no one was being asked to buy him as a heroic face. A few years prior, Jarrett got booed as a Horseman... in Charlotte... when they were faces... so had they tried to push “The Chosen One” as a face, it’s highly possible the reaction would have been similar to Reigns.

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1 hour ago, Godfrey said:

Jeff Jarrett was closer to WCW’s Matt Taven than WCW’s Roman Reigns. Total midcarder in the right place at the right time to become the top guy. And as others have said, people weren’t as mad because by 2000 you had to keep your expectations of WCW pretty low already so nobody really cared.

Agreed. To me though, Jarrett was kinda the right guy, really wrong era. By 2000, I got tired of this motherfucker bouncing back between promotions being repackaged every other year and it not working. Is he suppose to be Stone Cold 2.0? Why is he coming out to a midi version of a Kid Rock song? Why is he making semi-shoot comments? What the fuck is up with him saying slapnuts? His work was never good enough to be the top guy, which was never the WCW criteria from 1994 on but in an era where the guys who can work are leaving a sinking ship, that worked heavily against him. He has a great match with Chris Benoit at Starrcade 99 and then Chris Benoit leaves WCW 3 or 4 weeks later. Jarrett felt like he got the role because everyone worth a damn had already left (or sat at home collecting paychecks), WCW's overall ineptness, and the godawful booking. It was so hard to buy him as being the guy because most of the stuff they had him do was so contrived.

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