MORELOCK Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Y'all can pop off like clockwork about Corny every week and be mostly justified, but anyone talking shit on Smoky Mountain Wrestling deserves to be shot into space. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, MORELOCK said: Y'all can pop off like clockwork about Corny every week and be mostly justified, but anyone talking shit on Smoky Mountain Wrestling deserves to be shot into space. The more you think about it, SMW couldn't have been an outlaw mud show promotion given who was funding it. Plus, Cornette was willing to pay Flair $10,000 to wrestle one date a month between his WCW run and eventually deciding to go to WWF. The entire payout for an outlaw mud show probably isn't $5,000. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Wasn't there a Vince invasion angle in SMW? That is definitely not "mudshow" in any way, shape, or form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiji Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, Curt McGirt said: Wasn't there a Vince invasion angle in SMW? That is definitely not "mudshow" in any way, shape, or form. I think that was just USWA with the early Mr. McMahon promos. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Cincinnati Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 They did mud wrestling on The Bachelorette a couple seasons ago. But that's pretty mainstream, so i don't think it would count as a "mudshow" either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Elsalvajeloco said: It is what it sounds like. It's basically the shows ran by outlaw promotions (in the territory days, any promotion using wrestlers who have been blacklisted for any sort of reason like exposing the business or any promotion running opposition to the main promoter in that town or given area) at like fairgrounds and other random places and many of them are set up in the mud. Cornette basically uses the term outlaw mud show for modern wrestling as a catch all for shows featuring guys like Joey Janela or Jelly Janela as he calls him or flabby, out of shape independent wrestlers in general who have never wrestled for a big time promotion or would have never made it in pro wrestling in the heyday of territories and the mid to late 90s boom period. Corny would have a field day with those no-ring bar shows in Brooklyn using Shlak and whatever other dingbats they dig out of the woodwork for it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spontaneous Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 How many stars would you give the matches on the bachelorette? Did they do too many dives and other such outlaw bullshit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Apparently, Pockets aka Orange Cassidy wrestled Joey Ryan in a threeway in a promotion literally named Outlaw Wrestling. That would be the outlaw mudshow bullshit Cornette is talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Cincinnati Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, Six String Orchestra said: How many stars would you give the matches on the bachelorette? Did they do too many dives and other such outlaw bullshit? Don't make fun. Being a contestant on The Bachelorette is more of an upper-body business than wrestling these days. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 I haven't watched an entire Orange Cassidy match or seen Joey Ryan wrestle in years. I think this is a good stopping point if any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Didn't the Poffo family start out on Outlaw wrestling promotions? I think they did. We've been spelling it wrong all this time. He was actually "The Mudshow Man" Randy Savage. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, AxB said: Didn't the Poffo family start out on Outlaw wrestling promotions? I think they did. We've been spelling it wrong all this time. He was actually "The Mudshow Man" Randy Savage. Both Lanny and Randy wrestled years before ICW with Randy getting his first break in Georgia before his dad ran opposition to Ron Fuller and Nick Gulas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSmUgly Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Oyaji said: I think that was just USWA with the early Mr. McMahon promos. Yes, and it is great. Someone has much of the core series of angles and feuds up on YouTube under a playlist titled "McMemphis" that you can reach by clicking on this sentence. Just in case some have never seen this. I remember first tracking it down because of reading a bit about it in Bret Hart's book, though IMO the best heelery besides Vince is Randy Savage, who is an all-time great heel (and an all-time great babyface, and actually, let's just call him an all-time great because he is). Heel Tatanka is also pretty good here, which is a far cry from his lethargic heel run in the '90s in WWF (though he showed much more promise with his "You stole my country, fuck you" heel run that got cut short on '00s Smackdown). Edited July 31, 2019 by Smelly McUgly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Many of the Knoxville 5 (except Malenko) went from their splinter promotion in 79 to go and work for the Poffos in ICW after their company folded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabremike Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 2 hours ago, Smelly McUgly said: Yes, and it is great. Someone has much of the core series of angles and feuds up on YouTube under a playlist titled "McMemphis" that you can reach by clicking on this sentence. Just in case some have never seen this. I remember first tracking it down because of reading a bit about it in Bret Hart's book, though IMO the best heelery besides Vince is Randy Savage, who is an all-time great heel (and an all-time great babyface, and actually, let's just call him an all-time great because he is). Heel Tatanka is also pretty good here, which is a far cry from his lethargic heel run in the '90s in WWF (though he showed much more promise with his "You stole my country, fuck you" heel run that got cut short on '00s Smackdown). I still remember reading Jess McGrath in the old Lariat in USWA reports talking about what an incredible heel promo Vince was. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Hero Morganti Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 3 hours ago, Elsalvajeloco said: Apparently, Pockets aka Orange Cassidy wrestled Joey Ryan in a threeway in a promotion literally named Outlaw Wrestling. That would be the outlaw mudshow bullshit Cornette is talking about. I actually enjoyed that match. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 5 hours ago, AxB said: To be fair, whilst Sullivan did cut Kanemura with a Spike, he didn't follow up by Powerbombing him onto thumbtacks, raking a Barbed Wire Baseball Bat across his forehead, then slamming him off a balcony into a log cabin made of 100 light tubes. And then blowing a fireball at him. Also Mousetraps used to be a thing in deathmatches around that time. What a pussy, Kanemura would gladly do all of that later on. Up the stakes, Sully! Light him on fire, Pogo style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tromatagon Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Jado and Gedo were the ones that set him on fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 2 hours ago, odessasteps said: the Knoxville 5 Who were these? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 12 minutes ago, Curt McGirt said: Who were these? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 That screencap is terrifying. Did Boris always wrestle with one eye closed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 One of my favorite bits NOT on that McMemphis playlist is Brian Christopher teaming with Doink for a squash match where Borne just obliterates the poor bastards. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 18 minutes ago, Curt McGirt said: That screencap is terrifying. Did Boris always wrestle with one eye closed? I would hope not. Also, I like that Bob Orton Jr. has such a great movie villain cadence and intonation that you can't be entirely sure if he is telling the truth about pro wrestling being predetermined. "We're all honest men." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 15 minutes ago, Elsalvajeloco said: I would hope not. Also, I like that Bob Orton Jr. has such a great movie villain cadence and intonation that you can't be entirely sure if he is telling the truth about pro wrestling being predetermined. "We're all honest men." Let's talk about this Orton instead: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSmUgly Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Matt D said: One of my favorite bits NOT on that McMemphis playlist is Brian Christopher teaming with Doink for a squash match where Borne just obliterates the poor bastards. I don't think it's on Youtube or Daily Motion anywhere, but I've seen this, and Bourne-as-Doink is indeed an elite squash match worker in both this match and in general. Edited August 1, 2019 by Smelly McUgly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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