YouHaveUntil5 Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 On 7/19/2019 at 7:54 PM, West Newbury Bad Boy said: Jumping off of this: Who would be the wrestler equivalent of the Mendoza line? I actually just ran an entire tournament on Facebook over the past couple weeks to determine the Most OK Wrestler ever. The finals were between The Warlord and Chris Harris, and ended in a tie. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meltzing Pot Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 I've been lurking on here for probably like 15 years at this point. I rarely post, because I like to read stuff, but don't really care to argue, but how on Earth are you going to say Sean Waltman of all people is the Mendoza Line, when he was a tag team partner of Justin Fucking Credible? Has the level of conversation and thought on DVDVR sunk so badly that Sean Waltman isn't a good worker anymore? Unrelated, Rippa, thank you for repping for Bobby Eaton, as Bobby Eaton is indeed God. 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Cincinnati Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 8 minutes ago, Meltzing Pot said: I've been lurking on here for probably like 15 years at this point. I rarely post, because I like to read stuff, but don't really care to argue, but how on Earth are you going to say Sean Waltman of all people is the Mendoza Line, when he was a tag team partner of Justin Fucking Credible? Has the level of conversation and thought on DVDVR sunk so badly that Sean Waltman isn't a good worker anymore? This is up to 13 likes as of the time of this post. For this board right now, I'd suggest that level of activity is pretty strong pushback on the idea in question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meltzing Pot Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, West Newbury Bad Boy said: This is up to 13 likes as of the time of this post. For this board right now, I'd suggest that level of activity is pretty strong pushback on the idea in question. Yeah my bad I got a little ragey there. I'm better now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Man Known as Dan Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 I find the Mendoza Line of Wrestling revolving around X-Pac line amusing when his own stable mate Billy Gunn is a 1000% better case. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 Lance. Storm. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWolf&Subs Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 The Ziggler(Ziggly) line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaedmc Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 Sean Waltman is a goddamn legend. He was revolutionary at the start of his career. Amazing babyface. Great fire and comebacks and would get his ass kicked. Committed to getting booed and getting the babyface over when he was a heel. His X-Pac run wasn't my favorite but he managed to have good matches with Jericho, and a decent tag team with Kane. And if you haven't seen any of his indy shit from the last 10 years, I highly recommend it. The difference between his psychology and everyone else's is ridiculous. It's all in the timing, and in older age he's having better matches with lesser talent than he did at his peak. And he's up for anything. Watched him wrestle Jay Bradley at a club. The club had columns and the columns had wrap around shelves to set drinks on. At one point in the match Jay Bradley alley-ooped him into the column so that Waltman would crotch himself and land on the shelf. By the time it was their match the shelf had empty glasses on it, and Waltman does the spot anyway crashing into the glasses. Great shit. Mendoza Line my ass. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWolf&Subs Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 Brad Armstrong line would make a way better case as wrestling’s Mendoza line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meltzing Pot Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 26 minutes ago, LoneWolf&Subs said: Brad Armstrong line would make a way better case as wrestling’s Mendoza line. In what universe was Brad Armstrong anything less than very good? Do people just not understand the concept of the Mendoza Line? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaedmc Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 If we're saying "below this line of quality you're terrible at your job", there are tons of guys worse than Billy Gunn that I'd say are just barely adequate wrestlers. Billy Gunn was a solid maybe even great tag wrestler. He got three different teams over with three different gimmicks. Rugged cowboy, preening douchebag, and ambiguously gay duo. Could do it as a face or a heel rather effectively. Could sell for a hot tag to Road Dogg or be a great hot tag himself. Dynamic use of his body, as he could make himself look HUGE as a heel, or make himself smaller so e could work out from underneath. Wasn't great at promos in the sense of cutting people down, but his strength is more in dialogues and skits. Lance Storm....eh...I'm not a huge fan. Outside of his rolling crab and his entrance music, I can't remember much of anything from any match he ever had and I watched a LOT. It might be him. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWolf&Subs Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Meltzing Pot said: In what universe was Brad Armstrong anything less than very good? Do people just not understand the concept of the Mendoza Line? I’ve seen enough bad Brad Armstrong matches on JCP/WCW, and later WCW recently to come away with thinking he had talent, but he’d slum it more often, than not in every decade he performed. Edit: I’m not just talking in-ring talent either. The man couldn’t cut a good promo, and had the charisma of a dead fish. At least Billy Gunn had an over gimmick, and sometimes could even talk. Brad had nothing when he went to the big time. Al “Fucking” Perez gave more in his little brief period with the big-time than Brad ever did. Edited July 21, 2019 by LoneWolf&Subs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 The high bar of "High flying babyface who changed style, because his moves were no longer spectacular by the changing standards of the business" is Brian Pillman. X-Pac does not reach that line. He's in the 'Good, but not great' category. Also, only North Americans know what a Mendoza is, so me and Natural can use it out of context as much as we want. In what world is the Warload equally as good as Wildcat Chris Harris? Harris was fantastic in TNA, Warlord couldn't even have a good match in WAR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stefanie Without Stefanie Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 Caveat: Brad Armstrong is one of my top three favorite male wrestlers so I may be a bit biased. If Brad Armstrong had been put under a mask as a heel, and given a consistent push with a manager to talk for him, I think we'd have a much different story. His body language was tremendous and if he had been a masked wrestler with someone else doing his talking, he could have been great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWolf&Subs Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Stefanie the Human said: Caveat: Brad Armstrong is one of my top three favorite male wrestlers so I may be a bit biased. If Brad Armstrong had been put under a mask as a heel, and given a consistent push with a manager to talk for him, I think we'd have a much different story. His body language was tremendous and if he had been a masked wrestler with someone else doing his talking, he could have been great. I think Badstreet might’ve been the best use of him. Fuck, I just remembered that his brother Steve was even better than his ass when he was a Young Pistol. Edited July 21, 2019 by LoneWolf&Subs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 If he'd have been given a consistent anything, he'd have been good at it. Him vs Pillman was a solid feud that was cursed by having to follow Pillman vs Liger (it was better than Pillman vs Flamingo, but Raven wasn't himself yet). But he was also Baddstreet, Arachnaman and Buzzkill. Someone in WCW marked him as a guy who can get anything over (at a mid card level) and the mark stayed on him for decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 12 minutes ago, Stefanie the Human said: Caveat: Brad Armstrong is one of my top three favorite male wrestlers so I may be a bit biased. If Brad Armstrong had been put under a mask as a heel, and given a consistent push with a manager to talk for him, I think we'd have a much different story. His body language was tremendous and if he had been a masked wrestler with someone else doing his talking, he could have been great. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWolf&Subs Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, AxB said: Someone in WCW marked him as a guy who can get anything over (at a mid card level) and the mark stayed on him for decades. I’d like an asterisk over both those. I’m trying to think of a person he helped elevate on WCW TV at anytime. Don’t say Z-Man! Z-Man was legit a good worker, with charisma, and personality that got over with the fans. Edited July 21, 2019 by LoneWolf&Subs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyld Samurai Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 I m going with "Above Average" Mike Sanders as the Mendoza Line. Or was he just a little too good for that? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 Honest question: Is it: Great-Good-Mendoza- Average- Mediocre- Bad, or Great- Good- Average- Mediocre- Mendoza- Bad? Because if it's the latter, Waltman should be nowhere near it. If it's the former, he could be thereabouts. Also, Z-Man was the sexiest man in WCW. While Rick Rude was there. And Rude is Pro Wrestling's Most Handsome Gentleman of all time, as this board truly knows. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted July 21, 2019 Author Share Posted July 21, 2019 8 minutes ago, AxB said: Honest question: Is it: Great-Good-Mendoza- Average- Mediocre- Bad, or Great- Good- Average- Mediocre- Mendoza- Bad? Because if it's the latter, Waltman should be nowhere near it. If it's the former, he could be thereabouts. Also, Z-Man was the sexiest man in WCW. While Rick Rude was there. And Rude is Pro Wrestling's Most Handsome Gentleman of all time, as this board truly knows. I was thinking about the Smashing Crumpet tournament a couple days ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyWhioux Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 1 hour ago, jaedmc said: If we're saying "below this line of quality you're terrible at your job", there are tons of guys worse than Billy Gunn that I'd say are just barely adequate wrestlers. Billy Gunn was a solid maybe even great tag wrestler. He got three different teams over with three different gimmicks. Rugged cowboy, preening douchebag, and ambiguously gay duo. Could do it as a face or a heel rather effectively. Could sell for a hot tag to Road Dogg or be a great hot tag himself. Dynamic use of his body, as he could make himself look HUGE as a heel, or make himself smaller so e could work out from underneath. Wasn't great at promos in the sense of cutting people down, but his strength is more in dialogues and skits. this. Billy Gunn basically has the ideal wrestling resume for being a head trainer of a wrestling school and I am more than a little surprised WWE couldn't/wouldn't keep him on staff to head up WWE developmental. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dewar Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 If Billy didn't get popped for steroids at that bodybuilding event, I assume he would still be a big part of the PC. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyWhioux Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 19 minutes ago, AxB said: Honest question: Is it: Great-Good-Mendoza- Average- Mediocre- Bad, or Great- Good- Average- Mediocre- Mendoza- Bad? Because if it's the latter, Waltman should be nowhere near it. If it's the former, he could be thereabouts. Also, Z-Man was the sexiest man in WCW. While Rick Rude was there. And Rude is Pro Wrestling's Most Handsome Gentleman of all time, as this board truly knows. the mendoza line is a batting average of .200, which is the traditional definition of "minimum competency for being on a major league roster" up to you if in this context it means "deserves to be on the show at all, even as a JTTS" or "deserves a token midcard push/basic piece of merch" or whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyWhioux Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 Barry Horowitz should be the mendoza line: good enough to be perpetually employed as a jobber 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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