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JUNE 2019 WRESTLING DISCUSSION - Thread 2


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4 hours ago, Raziel said:

For the love of Gotch, Becky, take Seth's damn phone away!

maybe she did

[actually I guess that punch doesn't land, he's sounding more like Rousey's tweets from the WM build than Lynch's]

 

4 hours ago, West Newbury Bad Boy said:

Also, the bit about the tale being told by an idiot.

"a poor play" fits too.

William Shakespeare, Time Traveling rasslin' Hate-Watcher, who woulda thunk it

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59 minutes ago, OSJ said:

I'll have to admit that Rollins as a keyboard warrior is proving far more entertaining than Rollins the wrestler (for all the wrong reasons).

He still needs Jimmy Jacobs to do his talking for him.

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4 hours ago, Johnny Sorrow said:

Ok, How about "Mark Henry talks about how Ahmed tried to pill him by putting halcyon in his drink"?  Still better than more hot takes on Pro Wrestlers working on Twitter.

And it's Mark who brought up the racist shit to Austin and dragged it out of Austin that it happened and it was bullshit. Austin just acknowledged that this was the first time he's talked about it. That's all Austin said. It wasn't Micheal Hayes cluelessly trying to explain how he's really not racist.

He did act racist towards Nelly in the remake of The Longest Yard... It all fits!

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17 minutes ago, Oyaji said:

He's an uncoordinated lug with no charsima or psychology. Has everything else though.

So he hasn’t come along at all in the last couple of years? Sorry I don’t watch NOAH.

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Fuck Seth Rollins.

 

on the other hand, I’d probably be acting like an entitled, pretentious piece of shit too, if ratings and attendance were this bad while I was the supposed top guy. And all the money in the world won’t buy him a crowd reaction like the one Mox got at “Double or Nothing.” Rollins wants so badly to be cool, like Mox and those guys he claims to have never seen, and he’s just...not. He’s the corporate babyface desperately masquerading as the rebel. His catch phrase is “burn it down,” yet he wouldn’t dare light a match without Daddy H’s permission. He’s the personification of everything wrong with WWE, and seeing him get dragged on the internets for it is amusing...

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Roman seems like he might be a really cool guy in real life.

But, Christ, has there ever been a better example of "the whole is greater than the sum of the parts" in wrestling history than The Shield? They were perfectly suited to one another's strengths and weaknesses, both in-ring and as characters.

The only time I ever liked Seth was The Shield/team with Ambrose stuff. I know I've told the story about leaving an ROH show early with the words "yeah, let's go. I have no desire to see Tyler Black wrestle" on here before.

Putting aside my own dislike for him, though, his big problem is that everything about how he carries himself, talks, etc screams "weaselly heel" but his in-ring style is nothing but big spots to pop crowd and selling. Well, that, and being one of the worst promos in the history of pro wrestling.

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12 hours ago, OSJ said:

Are y'all old enough to remember when we all had Terry Taylor pegged as the next Ric Flair?  Was that ever a bad call.  That would have been 1987 or thereabouts, fast-forward twenty years and Taylor is a corporate stooge and Flair is still Flair. When I'm wrong, I'm way wrong...

It's weird for me hearing this. I didn't get to see any Mid-South until the network rolled around, and I always assumed it was hoss-central as far as champions went. So with that in mind, as well as only ever seeing as the Red Rooster and Taylor Made Man growing up, he sticks out like a sore thumb as UWF champion to me. Was he accepted? Was he over?

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7 minutes ago, Brian Fowler said:

The only time I ever liked Seth was The Shield/team with Ambrose stuff. I know I've told the story about leaving an ROH show early with the words "yeah, let's go. I have no desire to see Tyler Black wrestle" on here before.

It confuses me that my favourite WWE tag match, the Rhodes Brothers vs Roman/Rollins, is so great despite featuring two wrestlers in Seth and Cody who are the blandest of the bland outside that match. 

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10 minutes ago, Sky Blue Sam said:

It confuses me that my favourite WWE tag match, the Rhodes Brothers vs Roman/Rollins, is so great despite featuring two wrestlers in Seth and Cody who are the blandest of the bland outside that match. 

Man, Cody is the weirdest guy for that. He's mostly pretty bland bell to bell, but then he goes and steals the show at All-In and him age Dustin have the best pure storytelling match in years at DoN.

Although I did enjoy his Ibushi matches quite a bit. He's definitely been better outside WWE.

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Following up a Superplex with a Falcon Arrow. Loop that with any of his Promos = Hell

The one move that hurts isn't the FIRST to hit you wannabe Davey Richards. And he was just the worst.  Seth Rollins vs Tyler Black in a Steel Davey Richards.

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Thing that bugs me about the superplex - falcon arrow the most isn't that he does it, it's that it's not a finisher, other than once on Dolph.

The idea that he debuted that move for a two count is just... Infuriating. What the fuck is the point of having that moment that dropped jaws (and the first few times he used it, the reactions were through the roof) get immediately devalued?

But that's also one of my biggest problems with modern wrestling in general, and WWE in particular. You almost never see anything get a pin except finishers and surprise flash roll-ups (and not even usually creative ones like Bret used to break out) so whenever someone hits a new big move, it invariably gets a two, and loses any luster.

Cena's Springboard Stunner was the same way. I mean, it also didn't look good, but having Rusev kick out of it the first time we saw it, and then job to the AA less than five minutes later... Jesus, why bother with the new move?

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I know the Misawa thread got closed for a reason, but one of the things many who are--consciously or not--heavily influenced by that King's Road style tend to miss is that the move escalation was generally not sudden, and basically always significant. Baba--and later, NOAH--tended towards tighter, Tokyo focused tours, so you had many of the same fans, seeing every step of a story, with repeated try/succeed/fail cycles with wrestlers and their moves. So when the violence escalated or something new was introduced, it was often foreshadowed, made sense in context, and got the pin. And it doesn't even have to be flashy or dangerous. It's become a meme now, but Okada's "wrist control" moment on Tanahashi is basically a perfect example of this going right, while his cobra clutch use in the Naito build is an example of doing something new just to do it, with an ineffectual result.

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33 minutes ago, MoeCristyV.1.6 said:

The one move that hurts isn't the FIRST to hit you wannabe Davey Richards. And he was just the worst.  Seth Rollins vs Tyler Black in a Steel Davey Richards.

Still not as bad as when Shawn would wrestle Angle, and pretend it was only the third of the Rolling Germans that hurt. You could take the first two no problem, and if you escaped or reversed before he hit the third one, he might as well have been tightening a headlock or something. Not that people tighten headlocks any more.

Actually, no Rolling Superplexes is worse. Because performing a Superplex (never mind taking one) is supposed to be devastatingly painful and exhausting. It's why they're always a delayed cover nearfall, you can't cover right away because you just took a big fall of the top rope and need to get your breath back. 

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4 hours ago, CreativeControl said:

It's weird for me hearing this. I didn't get to see any Mid-South until the network rolled around, and I always assumed it was hoss-central as far as champions went. So with that in mind, as well as only ever seeing as the Red Rooster and Taylor Made Man growing up, he sticks out like a sore thumb as UWF champion to me. Was he accepted? Was he over?

He did get himself over.

Was mega-over as a heel in WCCW as well.

 

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