SirSmUgly Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 I can't tell if Rollins is working me or not, but my instinct is that he's never been clever enough to work like this before, so no. He's probably just in his feelings. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raziel Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 For the love of Gotch, Becky, take Seth's damn phone away! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWolf&Subs Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, West Newbury Bad Boy said: . Edited June 25, 2019 by LoneWolf&Subs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 I don't even like Will Ospreay but this is getting ridiculous. Rollins' interview with Sports Illustrated continues and furthers all of his Twitter rants, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Guy Eddie Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 6 hours ago, Craig H said: Meltzer and Alvarez brought that up on WOR this morning that if you have to mention your bank account then you've lost the argument. I'm starting to see why some of y'all don't like Seth. He's being a gigantic douchebag. I never gave him a lot of grief. I didn't love or hate him as Tyler Black or Seth Rollins. Using Rollins in his ring name as an homage to Henry Rollins gave him points in my book. Seth hasn't just crept across the line into giant asshole territory, he obliterated that line. He really should keep his fucking mouth shut. He should remember that he was HHH's nxt golden child. He didn't get booked to look like a complete idiot like Moxley did. Maybe he feels like the weight of the world his on his shoulders, being champion when the ratings are at almost historically low numbers and they're performing in half-empty arenas. We might be in the midst of watching the guy having a meltdown. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 I think one big problem with the ECW, NJPW, Meltzer etc. influence talking points is the fan who likes what he likes in part because he feels he is a part of a secret underground club outside of the mainstream. It's like the indie band that they grew up loving and then they went platinum and casual listeners started liking them. I think there's some of that going on here. A lot of dudes in the 90s and early 2000s sat around saying "wouldn't it be cool if WWF was like this?" not thinking that WWF would ever in a million years employ those people or at least not push them.. I saw this happen with CM Punk early on. Then it became less about whether the guy would be pushed but how he would be pushed or who he would be paired with. These were valid criticisms. However, fast-forward to today and it's evolved to where most of the talent came from an underground club. Now you have situations like the other night where Samoa Joe is facing Ricochet and they have a good match and Meltzer's take on it is "It was alright but it wasn't PWG!" Or AJ Styles and Ricochet last night have a great match and literally nobody is talking about it. I get that creative is to blame for some of that or even most of that because of how things are built or aren't built but I do feel there are a lot of lapsed fans who would not like anything from WWE because it's the corporate machine they've fought so hard against for the last 20 years. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zakk_Sabbath Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 49 minutes ago, For Great Justice said: Also, and this might be contentious I think, I would lay some blame at Bret Hart. Now, Bret was awesome, but through admiration of Hart I believe that this notion of the physical execution of the moves being of greater importance than the story being sold was grown within the early internet fan base, through which stuff like Lance Storm, RVD/Lynn and in general 10.0 Perfect Execution became en vogue. You could trace that to DK/TM if you wish, but for US audiences perhaps it is Hart and (God love him) guys like Scott Keith that promoted it in the mid 90’s. Bret told the story with the moves dude. His gimmick was entirely being the best at doing moves. He was literally called the excellence of execution. 33 minutes ago, nate said: I see your Keith and raise you Hyatte. Damn Nate's got me on block 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Is this like Office Space and Seth is trying to get fired? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaedmc Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 13 minutes ago, Smelly McUgly said: I can't tell if Rollins is working me or not, but my instinct is that he's never been clever enough to work like this before, so no. He's probably just in his feelings. Depends on what your definition of "working" is. Will it result in you spending money on his merch or tickets to see him wrestle? If anyone says yes, then it worked. I wonder who those people are though. Becky talking shit to Beth Phoenix made me want to spend money on a Becky/Beth match. Seth talking shit is much like his wrestling. Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Guy Eddie Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Just now, Craig H said: Is this like Office Space and Seth is trying to get fired? He's part Peter Gibbons and part Milton, obviously. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Cincinnati Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, jaedmc said: Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. Also, the bit about the tale being told by an idiot. Edited June 25, 2019 by West Newbury Bad Boy 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaedmc Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, West Newbury Bad Boy said: Also, the bit about the tale being told by an idiot. Maybe not. He may be fleecing money out of the old man with this kind of company man banter. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Cincinnati Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, jaedmc said: Maybe not. He may be fleecing money out of the old man with this kind of company man banter. Jinder Mahal just signed a new five-year contract. The old man is fleecing himself at this point. Edited June 25, 2019 by West Newbury Bad Boy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 The one thing I kinda agree with Seth on is that Ospreay is coming off as someone who knows it all and I don't think you can compare yourself to people who have worked under Vince's maniacal machine. Ospreay would have to work NXT for a year, garner all the praise and adulation from that audience and then have it stripped away little by little by little until he's just another cog in the machine working tirelessly to a point of nowhere to understand. If he's lucky he'd be a midcarder with 50/50 booking. If he's unlucky he's working 205 Live where casual audiences shit on you or sit on their hands or go use the restroom. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaedmc Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Oh man, what's Jinder up to? I haven't seen that dude in ages. I was there the night he won the title. Might need to make my own power point on how WWE taking Chicago for granted that night lead to fans selling out the Sears Centre for All In. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Niners Fan in CT said: The one thing I kinda agree with Seth on is that Ospreay is coming off as someone who knows it all and I don't think you can compare yourself to people who have worked under Vince's maniacal machine. Ospreay would have to work NXT for a year, garner all the praise and adulation from that audience and then have it stripped away little by little by little until he's just another cog in the machine working tirelessly to a point of nowhere to understand. If he's lucky he'd be a midcarder with 50/50 booking. If he's unlucky he's working 205 Live where casual audiences shit on you or sit on their hands or go use the restroom. Rollins didn't go through any of this either, though. He might be friends with some people who did, but on the other hand, Ospreay might be friends with people who went through that too. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clintthecrippler Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 I say this non-sarcastically, but is Seth okay? Like within 48 hours this went from him being a company man trying to defend the locker room to just outright picking fights with Dave and Wade. Like I am genuinely concerned he is having some sort of mental and emotional breakdown from the pressure of being the main event during the current time. Either that, or he has decided to live the "Burn It Down" gimmick. Man, if only Bob Geigel was still alive so he could strip him for "conduct unbecoming a champion." 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Custos Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 5 hours ago, Smelly McUgly said: (Is there really an anti-British English rhetoric that's serious? People over here in 'Merica still think the Queen's sounds classy AF and even would probably love a Cockney accent despite any of the "My Fair Lady" bias that might have permeated our culture.) Meant mostly in jest, there was some friendly banter about Massachusetts accents / British English somewhere in a recent thread. I’m equally jealous of folks like @Tromatagon who live local enough to go to Lucha Underground (when it existed). Well, now living in Oz the only wrestling positive is I can watch both US and Japanese wrestling without staying up ungodly hours. Wow, Seth is really succeeding in working us, if his goal is to make himself look like a tit. I also agree on those SI comments countering Moxley being just bad form, whether you’re a company man or not there is a way to do it without attacking your supposed friend’s character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSmUgly Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 27 minutes ago, Niners Fan in CT said: I think one big problem with the ECW, NJPW, Meltzer etc. influence talking points is the fan who likes what he likes in part because he feels he is a part of a secret underground club outside of the mainstream. It's like the indie band that they grew up loving and then they went platinum and casual listeners started liking them. I think there's some of that going on here. A lot of dudes in the 90s and early 2000s sat around saying "wouldn't it be cool if WWF was like this?" not thinking that WWF would ever in a million years employ those people or at least not push them.. I saw this happen with CM Punk early on. Then it became less about whether the guy would be pushed but how he would be pushed or who he would be paired with. These were valid criticisms. However, fast-forward to today and it's evolved to where most of the talent came from an underground club. Now you have situations like the other night where Samoa Joe is facing Ricochet and they have a good match and Meltzer's take on it is "It was alright but it wasn't PWG!" Or AJ Styles and Ricochet last night have a great match and literally nobody is talking about it. I get that creative is to blame for some of that or even most of that because of how things are built or aren't built but I do feel there are a lot of lapsed fans who would not like anything from WWE because it's the corporate machine they've fought so hard against for the last 20 years. Remember when Vince McMahon was good enough to get people en masse to buy into whatever it was he wanted to do and like it? Pepperidge Farm remembers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Maybe Seth is also playing the long game. He sees what HHH did and figures that Vince may live until his 90s and never release his grasp on WWE. We may never get HHH running WWE, but we could get HHH doing it. Too bad Seth can't marry into the family unless Steph leaves HHH, which would be a really weird Demi Moore leaves Bruce Willis and hooks up with Ashton Kutcher type of thing. I mean, it's not a stretch to think that 2000/2001 HHH would have been acting the same way if Twitter and Instagram were around back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tromatagon Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Now I want some goldfish 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Cincinnati Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, jaedmc said: Oh man, what's Jinder up to? I haven't seen that dude in ages. You mean former 24/7 champion Jinder Mahal? He's around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Custos Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, jaedmc said: Oh man, what's Jinder up to? I haven't seen that dude in ages. I was there the night he won the title. Might need to make my own power point on how WWE taking Chicago for granted that night lead to fans selling out the Sears Centre for All In. In the 24/7 mix, chased down R Truth on a golf course in a non televised social media segment in the last couple of weeks. He also appeared on one of those IIconics skits (again on social media) squeezing into a t shirt and being generally likeable. Im disappointed he never showed up in the Drew / Heath interaction last week to give us a 3MB reunion Edit: like @West Newbury Bad Boy Said Edited June 25, 2019 by Custos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 No Goldfish. Only Cheez Its. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, Casey said: Rollins didn't go through any of this either, though. He might be friends with some people who did, but on the other hand, Ospreay might be friends with people who went through that too. I think Seth is going through it right now but he's handling it poorly. He's being a total clown. But if we look at it, within two months of him becoming the 'Beast Slayer', Dean left, bunch of other people want to leave, Ratings are worse than they've ever been, AEW announced a TV deal and their first PPV was a major success and meanwhile Seth Rollins is saddled with company man Baron Corbin where it's near impossible to have a good match and the story they are telling is satisfying only one person, Vince. He's out there getting shit on nightly. He's become in a way a sacrificial lamb and anytime now Vince could call on Brock's number. I think he's crumbling under the pressure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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