John Austin Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 4 hours ago, LoneWolf&Subs said: what is in your opinion the best CZW Cage of Death matches? I remember watching one non ROH/CZW Cage of Death years ago, and thinking it was cool I remember the Hi-V vs Zandig's Army being good as well as the Blkout vs Chris Ca$h team, that one had Jack Evan's nearly killing himself 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianS81177 Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 15 minutes ago, AxB said: So an unknown natural heel fails to get over as a face (against a top star whose heel turn isn't taking and nobody wants to boo), and it's not the booking's fault? Seems legit. WWE "creative" in a nutshell right there. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Cincinnati Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Brian Fowler said: I mean, Vince is pushing Baron Corbin, apparently because he's kinda tall I like how wrestling is so weird that that 6'8" is only "kinda tall." Dude's a giant everywhere except wrestling and basketball. Edited June 16, 2019 by West Newbury Bad Boy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 Well, it's not short, but he's also not 6'8" anywhere but wrestling. Northwest Missouri State listed him at 6'6" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Cincinnati Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, Brian Fowler said: Well, it's not short, but he's also not 6'8" anywhere but wrestling. Northwest Missouri State listed him at 6'6" Huh. So that's what Shawn's teaching these kids at the PC. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SorceressKnight Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 1 hour ago, just drew said: Wasn’t the working theory about EC3 getting shit on being because he couldn’t get over as a babyface on house shows working Dean Ambrose? Like, he beat Ambrose the one week on Raw, then after that he fell off a cliff. Mox said on Jericho’s podcast that Vince was pissed about the live audiences reaction to EC3... I thought I heard the working theory was that they hired EC3, but once they hired him to the main roster they remembered "oh, it's Derrick Bateman? I hated that dude. Job him out." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Cincinnati Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 (edited) Since complaining about Joey Ryan is now passe, do we have a resident "I don't care for Orange Cassidy" person yet? If not, I volunteer. I thought I like funny wrestling, but I cannot handle that much ironic detachment. I feel like I'm Bruno Kirby talking about music in Good Morning Vietnam and recommending a nice polka or some Perry Como over the Beach Boys. Edited June 16, 2019 by West Newbury Bad Boy 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 14 hours ago, L_W_P said: Fuck, KENTA was booked like shit for years in NXT/205 & look at the hype for him jumping to NJPW. You actually think the fans in Japan or even fans in general would hold his WWE against him? I'm sure if Tozawa came in to NJPW or any other top Japanese Promotion he'd have a ton a fanfare. If they got a chance to get over they'd be bigger legends once they returned but the other Indie guys like Kieth Lee, ACH and guys like that have more to lose by not getting over, At this point even Adam Cole has had a well enough run in NXT that if he got called up and didn't get over, fans outside of WWE wouldn't hold it against him and he'd be a bigger star than before he left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Guy Eddie Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 53 minutes ago, SorceressKnight said: I thought I heard the working theory was that they hired EC3, but once they hired him to the main roster they remembered "oh, it's Derrick Bateman? I hated that dude. Job him out." seems likely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Dave Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 2 hours ago, AxB said: So an unknown natural heel fails to get over as a face (against a top star whose heel turn isn't taking and nobody wants to boo), and it's not the booking's fault? Seems legit. Hey, I think it’s dumb too. It’s just a theory I saw enough places to wonder if it had legs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Guy Eddie Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Ziggy said: You actually think the fans in Japan or even fans in general would hold his WWE against him? I'm sure if Tozawa came in to NJPW or any other top Japanese Promotion he'd have a ton a fanfare. If they got a chance to get over they'd be bigger legends once they returned but the other Indie guys like Kieth Lee, ACH and guys like that have more to lose by not getting over, At this point even Adam Cole has had a well enough run in NXT that if he got called up and didn't get over, fans outside of WWE wouldn't hold it against him and he'd be a bigger star than before he left. I don't see any fan of promotions outside of WWE holding a "failed run" against someone returning to the indies or going to AEW. WWE is booked for an audience of one, and if the rest of the world doesn't like it, that's just too bad. I would hope that wrestlers leaving WWE won't get backlash for trying to do their job by making chicken salad out of chicken shit. I think only the most blind WWE loyalist sees it as failure, but they're mostly troglodytes anyway. You want proof? Check out some of the wrestling groups on Facebook. Edited June 17, 2019 by Nice Guy Eddie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RazorbladeKiss87 Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 1 hour ago, West Newbury Bad Boy said: Since complaining about Joey Ryan is now passe, do we have a resident "I don't care for Orange Cassidy" person yet? If not, I volunteer. I thought I like funny wrestling, but I cannot handle that much ironic detachment. I feel like I'm Bruno Kirby talking about music in Good Morning Vietnam and recommending a nice polka or some Perry Como over the Beach Boys. You may have some competition there, mainly from me. I haven't gotten too deep into my dislike for him, mainly because he seems pretty well liked here but just seeing him infuriates me, let alone seeing him "wrestle." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWolf&Subs Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 (edited) I think Aerostar finally fucking killed himself tonight live on Twitch after doing his scaffolding spot. Edited June 17, 2019 by LoneWolf&Subs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt925 Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, LoneWolf&Subs said: I think Aerostar finally fucking killed himself tonight live on Twitch after doing his scaffolding spot. Scary Edited June 17, 2019 by matt925 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWolf&Subs Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Roy posted the super slow motion gif... He hit his head on the concrete! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Well, his velocity was broken a little by hitting the guy and he tucked it somewhat, but that looks very un-fun. Where the fuck were other people to help catch him? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Also, any dislike of Orange Cassidy for any reason gets you on my future shame list. It doesn't matter who you are. I will spare no mild annoyance at you! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iowanole Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 3 hours ago, LoneWolf&Subs said: Roy posted the super slow motion gif... He hit his head on the concrete! Am I safe to assume he kicked out at 2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWolf&Subs Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, iowanole said: Am I safe to assume he kicked out at 2? He never got back in the ring. Was carried to the back by the trainers on a stretcher. AAA says he’s okay, but we might need more official info. AAA themselves aren’t the most reliable sources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Execproducer Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 9 minutes ago, Ryan said: Where the fuck were other people to help catch him? Or better yet, dudes that are supposed to catch him could say "Dumb Fuck, that is a stupid, egregiously unnecessary spot. Kill yourself on your own time. I don't need a separated shoulder or a concussion for your glory!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Web Conn Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 9 minutes ago, Ryan said: Also, any dislike of Orange Cassidy for any reason gets you on my future shame list. It doesn't matter who you are. I will spare no mild annoyance at you! I've seen the Tommy Dreamer spot in the Casino Royle, and that three gifs where he wrestled with his hands in his pocket. Whats the gimmick? What matches should I watch? I would like to form an opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawful Metal Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Off topic request: I’m looking for an old Austin Aries vs. Kenny Omega match from 2009 is have ROH on HDNet. I vaguely remember it because Aries was wrestling for both of them and bumping like a madman. Is this anywhere online? Omega looked super young. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Guy Eddie Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 4 hours ago, LoneWolf&Subs said: Roy posted the super slow motion gif... He hit his head on the concrete! If only he could have landed directly on the fake LA Parka. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Web Conn said: I've seen the Tommy Dreamer spot in the Casino Royle, and that three gifs where he wrestled with his hands in his pocket. Whats the gimmick? What matches should I watch? I would like to form an opinion. Watch him vs David Starr. *shrug* 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 3 hours ago, Web Conn said: I've seen the Tommy Dreamer spot in the Casino Royle, and that three gifs where he wrestled with his hands in his pocket. Whats the gimmick? What matches should I watch? I would like to form an opinion. The gimmick is, he can't be bothered. Because the default setting for an indie Wrestler is Intensity! Stiffness! So he does the opposite and acts like he doesn't care to try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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