sabremike Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Victator said: Thank you for not posting a wall of stupid like Craig did. I might disagree with you, but I can at least appreciate what you are trying to say. Craig just went every where and was not really coherent. It ended with something about a guy with Aids blading and not informing people he works with. I'm not sure why he thinks I or anyone else would approve of that. The damage is cumulative, Ryan alone cannot do anything, but he has become the face of the mediocre indy talent eating shit to get attention. Over a decade ago and before, the indy scene was a real alternative to WWE and TNA. But now you see an arms race between WWE and various indy hucksters desperate for attention. So no they are not all doing sexual spots, since Ryan has that market cornered. But you get other stupid shit that hurts wrestling and frankly it is already in very bad shape. I want AEW to succeed, WWE getting a true rival would benefit everyone. Because things are in a hole and this could pull us out, but not if they book every indy freakshow. Did Dr Dirty John Valby destroy music concerts in America? Did Judge Dread destroy the genre of reggae? Did Andrew Dice Clay or Buddy Hackett destroy stand up comedy? You don't have to like Joey Ryan or his act but saying he's destroying wrestling is pretentious nonsense. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firebreaker Chip Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 When a bunch of people were getting mad at Michael Cole for chewing out Pat McAfee when he wore shorts with a suit at work I couldn't really get my head around it, like how would any reasonable person not think that McAfee deserved to be fired into the sun for that 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tromatagon Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 (edited) I actually fucking loved Pat for his response to all that. Like I don't give a fuck about his commentary skill or lack thereof I don't watch the show. But him telling Michael Cole to go fuck himself and momentarily shutting down WWE's backstage petty bitch culture and everyone having to apologize to him is priceless. Edited June 4, 2019 by Tromatagon 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabremike Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 And if you want to see the type of thing that REALLY hurts indy wrestling go check out the tweet in the ROH thread by a woman claiming (and I think she is very credible) one of their wrestlers behaving in a shoot sleazy and disgusting manner. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Cincinnati Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Firebreaker Chip said: When a bunch of people were getting mad at Michael Cole for chewing out Pat McAfee when he wore shorts with a suit at work I couldn't really get my head around it, like how would any reasonable person not think that McAfee deserved to be fired into the sun for that "It's a wrestling show, so who cares" is a case a reasonable person would make. Sure, it's WrestleMania. But if they brought in outside talent without giving him specific instructions on a strict dress code, can they be shocked that he decided to choose something on brand for himself? McAfee is a douche so it was funny to point and laugh. But it's not crazy to suggest that's not a dismissal-worth offense (I don't know if he's employed there or not; don't care either). Edited June 4, 2019 by West Newbury Bad Boy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raziel Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Just now, sabremike said: And if you want to see the type of thing that REALLY hurts indy wrestling go check out the tweet in the ROH thread by a woman claiming (and I think she is very credible) one of their wrestlers behaving in a shoot sleazy and disgusting manner. You can just generalize that to say "what REALLY hurts indy wrestling is RoH since hiring Bubba", although it's possible it's gong back further to when Sinclair bought them out depending on what was true about the Lethal/Hendrix thing. Then there's pretty much CZW and XPW before it trying to out ECW ECW. Ryan's hardly the first person in wrestling to do something tasteless and crass to get attention and draw money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firebreaker Chip Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 5 minutes ago, West Newbury Bad Boy said: "It's a wrestling show, so who cares" is a case a reasonable person would make. Sure, it's WrestleMania. But if they brought in outside talent without giving him specific instructions on a strict dress code, can they be shocked that he decided to choose something on brand for himself? McAfee is a douche so it was funny to point and laugh. But it's not crazy to suggest that's not a dismissal-worth offense (I don't know if he's employed there or not; don't care either). Oh yeah no, I'm not saying he should have been fired for violating WWE etiquette or whatever, I'm literally saying he should have been killed for choosing to wear shorts with a suit 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Cincinnati Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 12 minutes ago, Firebreaker Chip said: Oh yeah no, I'm not saying he should have been fired for violating WWE etiquette or whatever, I'm literally saying he should have been killed for choosing to wear shorts with a suit Oh, I misunderstood. You're absolutely right. If WWE wants to fire him out of a literal canon, I would be fine with that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinit Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Guys, I don't mind, and kind of like comedy wrestling. Have seen some pretty fun stuff in Chikara and in different indies, and it really didn't bother me about it being in the context of a wrestling show. But from what I've seen, Orange Cassidy is just...stupid. Where's the Randy Orton STUPID STUPID STUPID gif when I need it? Lol. Seriously. I'm pretty openminded about the evolving of comedy and entertainment in pro wrestling, but I think Orange Cassidy is my breaking point. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 I like him, but hey, different strokes. I think possibly his whole deal works best in the context of an indie show with lots of Johnny Kickpads guys being all intense and stiff and serious, and then suddenly the least intense guy in the biz shows up and works ridiculously light, and it's a massive contrast. Just seeing him in isolation, maybe not getting the full effect. What I was getting at with the 20 guys and 30 minutes, was nobody actually likes Battle Royals and promoters should stop booking them. More six man tags instead please. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaedmc Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 I would do a LETHAL LOTTERY FIVE MAN ELIMINATION TAG MATCH. You end up getting 4 teams - 2 matches. Two Teams win and we promise that at the next show those two teams will face off for a big bag containing 25,000 dollars. And you have the president of the company reveal a giant money sack with a dollar sign painted on it. This way we get one story of random team members, heels and faces, having to get along for one night AND everyone gets on the show. Then in the build to the next show we can run stories on how they're trying to get more cohesive in the leadup to the Big Sack of Money Match. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caley Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 16 minutes ago, Infinit said: Guys, I don't mind, and kind of like comedy wrestling. Have seen some pretty fun stuff in Chikara and in different indies, and it really didn't bother me about it being in the context of a wrestling show. But from what I've seen, Orange Cassidy is just...stupid. Where's the Randy Orton STUPID STUPID STUPID gif when I need it? Lol. Seriously. I'm pretty openminded about the evolving of comedy and entertainment in pro wrestling, but I think Orange Cassidy is my breaking point. I think it also depends what you watch. I watched him against Gentlemen Jervis and it was a straight comedy match and it made sense in that context with him falling asleep and Jervis trying to pin him with a pillow and blanket and it was all very silly and clearly not to be taken seriously. But I also saw a match of his against Kay Lee Ray where it starts out with the gimmick and silliness (There was a thumb war...) but then kicks into gear and turns serious and he’s actually not bad as an actual wrestler either so it makes sense in that context. But I could see where a lot of it or him using the lackadaisical stuff against a serious opponent would be weird 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 6 minutes ago, jaedmc said: I would do a LETHAL LOTTERY FIVE MAN ELIMINATION TAG MATCH. You end up getting 4 teams - 2 matches. Two Teams win and we promise that at the next show those two teams will face off for a big bag containing 25,000 dollars. And you have the president of the company reveal a giant money sack with a dollar sign painted on it. This way we get one story of random team members, heels and faces, having to get along for one night AND everyone gets on the show. Then in the build to the next show we can run stories on how they're trying to get more cohesive in the leadup to the Big Sack of Money Match. And then what you get from that is wrestler a blaming wrestler b for not carrying their weight or being responsible for losing and then you get a feud from that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Does he only wrestle as Orange Cassidy these days? Or he still also work as [redacted]? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaedmc Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 8 minutes ago, Craig H said: And then what you get from that is wrestler a blaming wrestler b for not carrying their weight or being responsible for losing and then you get a feud from that. And you get a second feud when the bad guy who was the last survivor for his team, wins the 25,000 dollars and doesn't want to split it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tromatagon Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 (edited) 21 minutes ago, odessasteps said: Does he only wrestle as Orange Cassidy these days? Or he still also work as [redacted]? This just makes it look like he's wrestling as Chris Benoit and not really being Super Dragon this whole time. Edited June 4, 2019 by Tromatagon tee hee 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWolf&Subs Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, jaedmc said: And you get a second feud when the bad guy who was the last survivor for his team, wins the 25,000 dollars and doesn't want to split it. He ends up buying a brand new Honda Civic, and acquiring the services of Sonny Ono. Flaunting his new toy at every show. Edited June 4, 2019 by LoneWolf&Subs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spontaneous Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 I just want to say I'm sorry I even brought up Ryan/Cornette. Also, man, Bully Ray is a dick. We can agree there right? I suck as a poster. I should go back to r/SC. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 I'm okay with Pat McAfee as "Jock Guy on the Street". I can't stand Sam Roberts rehashing Michael Cole's heel character even more poorly, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nofuture Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 McAfee is best used on the PPV Watch Alongs. He doesn't sound as much as a forced character that he is on the Takeover Pre-shows and his shtick is a lot more tolerable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 BTW - if folks are wonder what the ROH stuff is all about - visit that thread (The last two or three pages) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 New Day vs. KO/Sami has been announced for SDL tonight And that made me realize that Kofi flew to Ghana, flew back yesterday to Texas and then is immediately flying to Saudi Arabia after SDL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 I hope the airlines have been showing good movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stefanie Without Stefanie Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Heck, I just hope he has a really comfortable travel pillow and eye mask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Niners Fan in CT said: I hope the airlines have been showing good movies. He was probably prepping for UUDD title defenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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