MAY 2019 WRESTLING TALK

[Beech27]

"WWE should hire and feature a talented, athletic mercenary who doesn't care about potentially self-indulgent artistic notions" isn't exactly a hypothetical.

[Web Conn]

Um I just wanna say that the reveal of Nick Mondo making that Twitter Video was really cool. I like the Idea of Moxley and Mondo as friends. 

[supremebve]

4 minutes ago, Brian Fowler said:

A lot of people over the years have said Vince actually loves good wrestling, he just doesn't believe it sells.

That may be true, but that is still different than what any of the disgruntled employees want from their careers.  

 

4 minutes ago, Technico Support said:

Clearly the solution is to hire wrestlers who also dislike wrestling.

The real issue is that there is no competition.  There are people who are perfectly fine working for Vince, and I don't hold that against them...but the people who are frustrated in that system have had nowhere else to go.  It has been a choice between making a decent living or doing a job you enjoy.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, West Newbury Bad Boy said:

There are a number of wrestlers who get caught up in the grind and don't watch anything that's not the show they're on. Am I too assume none of them are wrestling fans either?

Kind of.  When I say fan, I mean people who watch wrestling for enjoyment...as a habit.  For instance, I haven't watched Raw or Smackdown regularly in over 10 years, but I don't think there is a month of my life where I haven't watched a wrestling match.  It is a part of my life that isn't going away.  I'm a wrestling fan.  Jon Moxley is a fan.  He knows what he's doing isn't great wrestling, and that is what he grew up wanting to do.  

[John from Cincinnati]

1 minute ago, supremebve said:

Kind of.  When I say fan, I mean people who watch wrestling for enjoyment...as a habit.

I knew we were having a semantic argument!

Yeah, our definitions just aren't aligned here. Fair enough. 

[John from Cincinnati]

Fresh!

 

[piranesi]

5 hours ago, LoneWolf&Subs said:

Lies!

Edit: I wish Steve brought that kind of personality into a sneaky heel manager on TV.  

Oh God I miss the cougarlife.com band so much. I think it must have been on reruns of CSI Miami or something but I sang this song ten times a day for awhile:

 

Please note that not a single "cougar" in this video looks to be older than about 23.

[Nice Guy Eddie]

2 hours ago, HumanChessgame said:

It's not like the concept of hating what you love when you start doing it professionally is unique to the wrestling industry. I know plenty of people who have started their own business or managed to get a job involving something they're passionate about only to end up so burnt out and tired of it just due to the nature of the industry and associated pressures.

I just mentioned my own personal experience dealing with it a few pages back.

[AxB]

1 hour ago, Technico Support said:

Clearly the solution is to hire wrestlers who also dislike wrestling.

So that's why he pushed Luger so hard.

[LoneWolf&Subs]

Just remembered something when thinking about the Moxley interview...

 

[caley]

2 hours ago, Brian Fowler said:

I think one of the things worth thinking about is Jericho's bit about "I was never going to work anywhere else again. But I couldn't pass on the opportunity to work Omega." Okay, that's cool, but then when he got that creative freedom, he suddenly realized how much working for Vince sucked. He was allowed to just create, unfiltered..

Of course some of that seems to be Jericho BS too because in his interview with Bubba he basically conceded that he was in talks to come back to WWE but was upset about their offer and that he wouldn’t be main eventing.  So a lot of his AEW interest is ego-driven and financial as it is “creative freedom “.

[Ultimo Necro]

1 hour ago, West Newbury Bad Boy said:

Fresh!

 

How DARE Heyman and Brock look like they are having fun on Raw.

 

[LoneWolf&Subs]

1 hour ago, West Newbury Bad Boy said:

Fresh!

 

This continues to justify Moxley’s interview. None of this makes any fucking sense in continuity, and they are making Brock look like a face in the process.

Edited May 30, 2019 by LoneWolf&Subs

[JonnyLaw]

2 hours ago, Brian Fowler said:

I think there are two huge problems with the scripted promos: the scripts suck, and the wrestlers aren't trained actors. Actors put creativity and art into delivering lines someone else wrote. When they have good material to work with, it's creatively and artistically satisfying. When you aren't trained and skilled in that art, and the material sucks? Of course you'll feel creatively unfulfilled. Especially if you know how to do a more traditional wrestling promo.

This is pretty clearly a major issue. Take Baron Corbin. The guy’s a good talker, a natural heel, as shown during his Talking Smack appearances. However, he sucks at delivering the shitty scripts they give him and it’s killing him. 

One thing I realized earlier today is that we were all thinking that Dean Ambrose should have been the second coming of Austin, when Vince saw him more like the Rock: someone able to do/say goofy shit and remain an over badass.

[Eivion]

9 minutes ago, JonnyLaw said:

One thing I realized earlier today is that we were all thinking that Dean Ambrose should have been the second coming of Austin, when Vince saw him more like the Rock: someone able to do/say goofy shit and remain an over badass.

I always saw Ambrose as more of a Foley/Piper combo. 

[John from Cincinnati]

1 minute ago, Eivion said:

I always saw Ambrose as more of a Foley/Piper combo. 

Surely Moxley's first post-WWE vignette suggests the same.

Spoiler

 

[Hagan]

Apologies if this has been discussed but has anyone watched The Wrestlers series on Viceland? Worth a watch. I'm hearing very little chatter about it. 

[odessasteps]

13 minutes ago, Hagan said:

Apologies if this has been discussed but has anyone watched The Wrestlers series on Viceland? Worth a watch. I'm hearing very little chatter about it. 

People have discussed it in the Viceland thread. 

[joseph2112]

It seems to me that in some ways Vince was ruined creatively by Rock and Austin. Garbage lines, dumb storylines, props, whatever it was, those dudes got it over and the crowd kept eating it up in record numbers. It turns out that it's really a rare thing that two generational stars appear at the same time. 

 

[LoneWolf&Subs]

2 minutes ago, joseph2112 said:

It seems to me that in some ways Vince was ruined creatively by Rock and Austin. Garbage lines, dumb storylines, props, whatever it was, those dudes got it over and the crowd kept eating it up in record numbers. It turns out that it's really a rare thing that two generational stars appear at the same time. 

 

Naaaaah... The WWF has always been about the wacky comedy since Jr. took over the company. TNT, Prime Time, Hillbilly Jim’s wedding, etc... It’s just ever since Vince clamped down on his companies creative, it’s gotten worse, and worse.

[Nice Guy Eddie]

2 hours ago, AxB said:

So that's why he pushed Luger so hard.

and Kevin Nash

[Nice Guy Eddie]

16 hours ago, Curt McGirt said:

One more day. Don't let it end on THAT note

I know the best note to end a thread on...

Spoiler

The Aristocrats Joke

 

[Brian Fowler]

2 hours ago, caley said:

Of course some of that seems to be Jericho BS too because in his interview with Bubba he basically conceded that he was in talks to come back to WWE but was upset about their offer and that he wouldn’t be main eventing.  So a lot of his AEW interest is ego-driven and financial as it is “creative freedom “.

To be fair, I think that's what he said was the main reason he wanted to stick around NJPW.

[Ziggy]

After I listened to Moxleys podcast, I thought what if Bryan did show up at All in instead of Resigning with WWE. If AEW was a thing it probably would have happened more likely. The only downside I think is most people feel safer with him under WWE doctor's access. I don't think fans would feel safe with him not presumably under the availability of WWEs wellness program. I wonder if Bryan is thinking he made the wrong move although he is positioned way better than Ambrose was. The both have spouses employed with WWE they both aren't pressed for money alot of similarities between them 

[supremebve]

4 hours ago, JonnyLaw said:

This is pretty clearly a major issue. Take Baron Corbin. The guy’s a good talker, a natural heel, as shown during his Talking Smack appearances. However, he sucks at delivering the shitty scripts they give him and it’s killing him. 

One thing I realized earlier today is that we were all thinking that Dean Ambrose should have been the second coming of Austin, when Vince saw him more like the Rock: someone able to do/say goofy shit and remain an over badass.

Imagine looking at anyone and thinking they'd be able to do/say goofy shit and stay over like The Rock.  The Rock is the most unique talent in the history of the wrestling business.  He left and became the highest grossing movie star in the world.  They shouldn't expect that from anybody.

[Ziggy]

12 minutes ago, supremebve said:

Imagine looking at anyone and thinking they'd be able to do/say goofy shit and stay over like The Rock.  The Rock is the most unique talent in the history of the wrestling business.  He left and became the highest grossing movie star in the world.  They shouldn't expect that from anybody.

One of the reasons Luger flopped in WWF is because Vince wanted him to be the next Hogan, It never works when you try to force someone to be the next So and So, even if than talent is really good in their own right. Their will never be another Rock or Austin but they always say they are looking for the next Austin or Rock.