hammerva Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 The retelling of the Bad News Allen & Archie Stomper angle by Bret kind of paints a different story of Ed Whalen. The argument is that Ed ruins the angle because he was upset about the piledriver on Archie's son and quit. But now it sounds like what really pissed Whalen was Bad News beating the shit out of a really old fan who punched him in the back of the leg. Now whether that was the reason the territory was killed because of the angle not working out is seriously debatable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 I dunno. If you read the Stampede book, Whalen was constantly whining about the violence, and even getting the station(s?) to cut up the footage. If he was censoring stuff then fuck that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 It definitely shows why it’s better to have announcers emotionally and sometimes financially invested in the product, like Lance, rather than an announcer that was detrimental to the product. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSmUgly Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 Abby looks really good for a dude his age who has put his body through all that stuff. Ed Whalen is one of the WOATs at the desk along with Boyd Pierce and Mark Madden. I am getting old because I get sentimental about old men talking about how awesome their dads are. One of my favorite little docs is The Battered Bastards of Baseball because Kurt Russell is all like My dad was the best and the smartest, and my dad was great at running a baseball team even though the MACHINE didn't want him to, and my dad beat the machine and would have kept beating it except MLB was too scared to let that happen and used all their power to try and stop him. You can see an old man become a child again for a second talking about how awesome their dads are and how they'd beat your dad up and also every other dad. Anyway, that's Bret for me when he reminisces about Stu. This crusty old dude just loves his pops. It's endearing to see. Bret's stories are all in his book, but I loved his book, so I didn't mind hearing them again. Is Cuban Assassin Sr. on bad terms with Bret? Just running through possible fifth people for this panel. Of course, they have to say yes. I will say that I'd rather have four panelists with something to say about the territory rather than five panelists, but one just sort of is a rock (for example, DDP on the AWA panel). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister TV Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Curt McGirt said: I dunno. If you read the Stampede book, Whalen was constantly whining about the violence, and even getting the station(s?) to cut up the footage. If he was censoring stuff then fuck that. Is there a chance he did that because he knew the stations didn't like that kind of stuff? Sure it's most likely he was a stick in the mud, but as a broadcaster he would have a better feel on what station managers would tolerate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 I said this to Matt earlier, was their announcer more detrimental to the product as an announcer than Whalen? Not just a bad announcer (most promotions have had them at one time) but one often hostile to the talent and sabotages his own show? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianS81177 Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 I got a good chuckle out of Abby talking about some bar and looking at Bret like "you know the one, right?" and Bret just deadpanning "I was in 6th grade". Also I never get tired of people doing impressions of Stu Hart. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 Dr. D's Southern-fried Stu was HILARIOUS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 Just remembered the part of this week's Between the Sheets where Zellner described Abdullah the Butcher's farmers market outfit as he was shopping for stuff for his Chinese restaurant and apparently put things in his wife's name. Wonder if steamed white rice would be a staple of Abdullah the Butcher's "I can't be so fat anymore" diet that helped slim him down post-Wrestling. I don't now what kinds of fried/steamed/edible rice are the healthiest, if any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 (edited) I wonder if his weight loss coincides with his restaurant’s closing. Edited November 3, 2022 by odessasteps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 I'd imagine that not working a match since 2010 and the Hepatitis C might also be factors for Abby losing some weight over time 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 Or just getting old. The man is 81. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianS81177 Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 Has it come out yet who is on the panel for the Portland episode? I know Len Denton is still alive so hopefully he is (his book is fucking tremendous by the way). I *think* Col. DeBeers is still alive so maybe him too? Billy Jack is still alive but is batshit crazy. I know Buddy Rose and Rip Oliver are dead. I'm trying to think of who else from Portland would still be around... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 Jesse Barr? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Execproducer Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 Rick Martel had a run in Portland. He could talk about Piper's crazy ass. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 Google tells me Grappler was on someone's pod discussi g filming it, so maybe he lists the panel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zendragon Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 2 hours ago, BrianS81177 said: Has it come out yet who is on the panel for the Portland episode? I know Len Denton is still alive so hopefully he is (his book is fucking tremendous by the way). I *think* Col. DeBeers is still alive so maybe him too? Billy Jack is still alive but is batshit crazy. I know Buddy Rose and Rip Oliver are dead. I'm trying to think of who else from Portland would still be around... Raven started out in Portland no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianS81177 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 Oh shit he did! I totally forgot! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamBroken Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 11 hours ago, BrianS81177 said: Has it come out yet who is on the panel for the Portland episode? I know Len Denton is still alive so hopefully he is (his book is fucking tremendous by the way). I *think* Col. DeBeers is still alive so maybe him too? Billy Jack is still alive but is batshit crazy. I know Buddy Rose and Rip Oliver are dead. I'm trying to think of who else from Portland would still be around... 8 hours ago, odessasteps said: Google tells me Grappler was on someone's pod discussi g filming it, so maybe he lists the panel. correct! It is Grappler Len Denton, Mike Masters, Bushwhacker Luke, and Princess Victoria 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 The Portland panel might be the most “X-Ray wrestler panel from the pages of The Wrestler” panel of all the episodes 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert S Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 7 hours ago, DreamBroken said: correct! It is Grappler Len Denton, Mike Masters, Bushwhacker Luke, and Princess Victoria I am not familiar with Mike Masters, but cagematch (with the obvious question how complete their Portland results are) says he wrestled in Portland for a couple of months in 81 and 90, so not someone who on paper has a lot to say. By the way: he has passed away a couple of months ago. Guys like Mike Miller, Col DeBeers, the Cuban Assassin, Chris Colt or Brett Sawyer would have had much more to say (depending on how well they are doing, of course). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 On 11/1/2022 at 9:57 AM, Cobra Commander said: I believe that Cornette mentioned turning down Vice on his podcast I want a show where the host mentions news he heard that were pretty blatantly on other peoples podcasts Wrestling Observer Radio? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Web Conn Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 I’ve watched all the Tales of the Territories so far they’ve been really good. The Andy Kaufman one is my favorite episode, that angle just worked out as perfectly as it could possibly have. Lawler going on Letterman and slapping Andy out of his chair made that angle Immortal. On the Calgary episode, I’d only like to point out that Dave Shultz is a not in the best way possible, he’s from rural Tennessee he had never experienced a Canadian Winter before and he elected to drive his own car than ride in a bus driven by a Native Canadian who has driven in the winter time up there their whole lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Robert s said: I am not familiar with Mike Masters, but cagematch (with the obvious question how complete their Portland results are) says he wrestled in Portland for a couple of months in 81 and 90, so not someone who on paper has a lot to say. By the way: he has passed away a couple of months ago. Guys like Mike Miller, Col DeBeers, the Cuban Assassin, Chris Colt or Brett Sawyer would have had much more to say (depending on how well they are doing, of course). This match shows you just about everything you need to know about Masters: 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert S Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 30 minutes ago, Matt D said: This match shows you just about everything you need to know about Masters: So he was the 1980 version of The Man of a Thousand and Four Holds? (with 502 armbars and 502 full nelsons) The match was decent enough, I guess, but he looks like a guy who would never make it beyond curtain-jerking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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