The Natural Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 (edited) Paedophiles, fucking scum. I despise it. Edited June 8, 2021 by The Natural 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eoae Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 Did A&E's Bret documentary ever pick up? I watched about 80 min, then tapped out. Bret's backstory is interesting if you're unfamiliar with the Dungeon, Owen, and the Screwjob, but once you've heard it once, there's not much reason to revisit it. I imagine there are interesting new angles to explore, but they never seem to come out in docs (probably in part because the WWE and the family micromanage the Hart legacy so closely) and, honestly, I find Bret a fairly dull personality in interviews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikoBaltimore Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 I really loved it. It didn't break much ground but while my wife's been watching Bret stuff with me this helped her see why I admire him so damn much. Hey, @The Natural you have a chance to check it yet? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, NikoBaltimore said: I really loved it. It didn't break much ground but while my wife's been watching Bret stuff with me this helped her see why I admire him so damn much. Hey, @The Natural you have a chance to check it yet? Not yet. will do. Been meaning to ask what you thought. Glad it's a rave review from you, bud! Edited June 8, 2021 by The Natural 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChesterCopperpot Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 I thought it was the best of the ones they've done - admittedly I'm a massive Bret mark. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boydy Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 It is nice to see Bret so happy with his life and his accomplishments. You can tell he has inner peace with everything. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumanChessgame Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 I thought the Bret doc was much like the Foley episode in that it didn't break any new ground for longtime fans, but was a nice character study. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 (edited) I think the main thing in the Foley doc was showing/reminding people about the others kids beside Noelle and Dewey. I hope he would dress as Glen for Halloween so he could be Kane Dewey. Edit: it Also got Robert Fuller on our TV again. Edited June 9, 2021 by odessasteps 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 (edited) About the Grizzly Smith thing...I can't remember who told the story, but Smith had hit the road for a loop and, on the way, picked up a little girl from her parents' house so she could make the trip with him. The dramatization showed the "parents" smiling and waving. I was shocked, wondering how parents could just let their kids go unattended with a famous, ostensibly well-off person, when it should be obvious what's up. Then I watched the first episode of Leaving Neverland last night and the exact same thing happened there. It seems these predators don't just groom the kids. They groom the whole family so they can get to the kids. Edited June 9, 2021 by Technico Support 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikoBaltimore Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 It was Baby Doll who told the story. I feel bad for her as you could tell she felt guilty for not realizing what Grizzly's plans were until long after the fact. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 It is funny that Bret was willing to do the episode about himself but he refused to be interviewed for the Dynamite Kid one because he didn't like how the Montreal episode was handled (that is per Meltzer) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clintthecrippler Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 6 hours ago, RIPPA said: It is funny that Bret was willing to do the episode about himself but he refused to be interviewed for the Dynamite Kid one because he didn't like how the Montreal episode was handled (that is per Meltzer) I think you might be conflating the WWE A&E docs and Dark Side of the Ring together? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 Had he done anything for Dark Side? Did he do the Owen one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 14 minutes ago, clintthecrippler said: I think you might be conflating the WWE A&E docs and Dark Side of the Ring together? Maybe... Dave was definitely talking about the Dark Side of the Ring stuff. I am just unsure what stuff Bret has and has not been on since I haven't watch them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clintthecrippler Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 4 hours ago, RIPPA said: Maybe... Dave was definitely talking about the Dark Side of the Ring stuff. I am just unsure what stuff Bret has and has not been on since I haven't watch them I also wouldn't be surprised if Dave's stream-of-consciousness shoved those together during his recaps as well. The Bret Hart biography/documentary that everyone has been talking about for the last week was one of the WWE A&E productions, so there wouldn't be any production crossover with Dark Side on Dynamite Kid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSmUgly Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, RIPPA said: It is funny that Bret was willing to do the episode about himself but he refused to be interviewed for the Dynamite Kid one because he didn't like how the Montreal episode was handled (that is per Meltzer) So, the Montreal Screwjob episode was season one of DSotR. What I'm getting is that he participated in that episode, saw the episode after it was produced, and didn't like it for whatever reason, so he refused to come back and work on the season three DSoTR episode about Dynamite. EDIT to address @odessasteps 's question. Bret was on the season one episode about the Montreal Screwjob, but he was not on the season two episode about Owen. I thought that was because it was Martha-dominant and they didn't get along, but now I just think it's that he was displeased with how DSotR handled the Screwjob ep and stopped agreeing to sit with them. Edited June 11, 2021 by SirSmellingtonofCascadia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peck Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 6 minutes ago, SirSmellingtonofCascadia said: So, the Montreal Screwjob episode was season one of DSotR. What I'm getting is that he participated in that episode, saw the episode after it was produced, and didn't like it for whatever reason, so he refused to come back and work on the season three DSoTR episode about Dynamite. EDIT to address @odessasteps 's question. Bret was on the season one episode about the Montreal Screwjob, but he was not on the season two episode about Owen. I thought that was because it was Martha-dominant and they didn't get along, but now I just think it's that he was displeased with how DSotR handled the Screwjob ep and stopped agreeing to sit with them. I could be wrong but I vaguely remember them discussing that exact topic on the Confidential version of the Owen episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabremike Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 On 6/7/2021 at 2:25 PM, Technico Support said: Just when you thought the episode couldn't get any darker, Grizzly shows up unannounced at his semi-estranged daughter's place with a nine year old girl and asks Robin if she can make the girl a daiquiri. There's a special place in hell for Grizzly Smith. Nope, even Hell has standards. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerva Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 Well a little disappointed on the Dynamite Kid episode but it did describe him about as well as you could. To me there was a ton of stuff after retirement stuck in his wheelchair that could have been in it. Also this idea that Kid never got his revenge back for Jacque punching out 4 teeth is something. Kid started it, Jacque finished it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 I suspect that they were a little limited on how much stuff they had for Dynamite after he returned to England. Finding Dan Spivey and Scott McGhee was something. I don't think his book came up during this either, did it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabremike Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 People need to understand that they only have 45 minutes to work with and thus can't fit in every single detail. It was like the Sir Alex doc I watched a few days ago that was just released where it would've been impossible to fit every single thing he ever did into a 100 minute doc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 Dynamite's ex-wife burying the Rougeaus was hilarious though 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerva Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 The other thing you get watching this is how when people called Benoit a Dynamite Kid clone they were way more right then they thought. The nasty bumps, the pain, the steroids to compensate being "small", the bullying in the locker room, the extremely likelihood that he had massive CTE, and unfortunately the way he treated his wife. Although I guess we should be thankful Kid didn't actually shoot his wife. There is a big what IF to me on whether he would have actually done it if the cops weren't called. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 If the story about Jacques Rougeau working Dino Bravo into helping him protect himself from Dyanmite is true, that's some next-level, Jedi Mind Trick shit. Jacques just came off as the happiest, coolest dude in this show. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 This how Meltzer recapped the episode in the WON (since it touches on some stuff folks are mentioning) Spoilers for length and apologies as per usual for Dave speak Spoiler The final episode of Dark Side of the Ring on 6/10 was about Tom Billington, the Dynamite Kid. It was very hard to watch this one, but it was one of the best episodes they’ve done. The key speakers were first wife Michelle Billington, and his two daughters, the youngest of which he never met because he was thrown out when Michelle was seven months pregnant after he put a gun to his head. When Michelle described the beating he gave her before they split up, it sounded far too close to Chris Benoit with Nancy and Jimmy Snuka with Nancy Argentino, worse because she was seven months pregnant. She said the problems at home started mostly after his 1986 back injury and going to WWF in 1984 when he ramped up on the steroids. But the truth is I was around him on a late 1984 Japan tour after he had quit WWF and before he went back and he was so roided up it was ridiculous, and one of the most amazing performers ever in that every move he did had such explosiveness to it that he was like a different level of athlete from almost everyone. Besides the family, the key people on the piece they got were Mick Foley, who idolized him, Dan Spivey & Gary Portz (Scott McGhee), who were his best friends in WWF, and Jacques Rougeau Jr., who had the two famous altercations with him. There was one great story they uncovered. After Jacques Rougeau hit Dynamite with the roll of quarters (part of the story Jacques has told in the past as did Badnews Allen, was while he knocked Dynamite’s teeth out with the punches and he was bleeding everywhere until Badnews showed up to stop it, Dynamite was never knocked off his feet. Dynamite would have probably gotten revenge but he believed that the Montreal mob that Dino Bravo was connected to was going to kill his family if he made any reprisals. Dynamite took great precautions to protect his family including making sure his wife had a gun and they moved houses believing the mob in Montreal knew where he lived. Jacques’ version of the story is that he was not friends with Bravo, but knew Bravo would get word to Dynamite, so he made up the idea that his own mob friend would kill Dynamite and or his family knowing Bravo would warn Dynamite and thus believing Dynamite would not try and get back at him. Jacques laughed because he found out that was in fact the reason Dynamite didn’t. Dynamite quit WWF over it to sign with All Japan and book Stampede, but Stampede was too far gone. Dynamite, who Stu Hart called the biggest drawing card in the history of the territory, was also too far gone and even with him going heel and feuding with Owen Hart and Davey Boy Smith, they couldn’t bring business back. Dynamite wasn’t close to the same, but even with his body destroyed, he still had some very good matches in Japan but he was in so much pain he had to retire at the end of 1991 suddenly. There were two scenes that have been described to me from the 90s. Bret Hart and others, I think Brian Knobs, went to visit him on a U.K. tour when Hart was champion. Dynamite was out of it by this point. Hart or Knobs mentioned that Bret was the champion. Dynamite said, “Intercontinental champion, that’s good.” Bret said, “No, world champion.” Dynamite got silent, with this realization that Hart, the guy who copied him and who learned from him and who for years he was on a different level from (it seems everyone who was around Calgary wrestling during the Dynamite era believes it as a fact that nobody was better than Dynamite, not Bret or anyone, and that includes people very close to Bret) was world champion, the top guy, something Dynamite could have never dreamed of being and how he reacted. The other was when he was in a wheelchair, a few years before his death, and by this point he wouldn’t let anyone see him but Harry Smith came, and he liked Harry and Harry played on his phone one of the Tiger Mask vs. Dynamite matches from Japan and Dynamite watched with tears in his eyes. It was like the last time he saw Julie Hart, his sister-in-law, and as described on the show, he just sat there and watched his matches with Tiger Mask Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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