John from Cincinnati Posted March 16, 2019 Author Share Posted March 16, 2019 8 hours ago, MORELOCK said: They should cut 99% of the packages from EVERY show. It doesn't matter how good the video packages are when they eat up 45 minutes of every RAW and PPV, 15 minutes of every NXT, and 20 minutes of every SDL. It's a hugely overlooked problem with The Product and the main reason so many shows are fast-forwardable to me. Not every single match/feud/angle/show warrants a five minute fucking video package. For the last however-many years, a lot of these packages drop on the SmackDown prior to Mania and are available on Youtube for anyone who wants to see them. Just an absolutely time sink. Last year, there was a 3:30+ video package for the Bliss-Jax match which went ten minutes. Just unacceptable. The video package for Styles-Nakamura was 3:46 and those guys barely had a feud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 I don't mind after match replays, but oh holy fuck can the "moments ago" and "earlier tonight" replays die in a fire. I know I said this recently here anyway, but, motherfucker, I haven't switched over to Nitro in 19 years. Fuck I haven't even switched to Impact since... That first time they went head to head with Raw, actually. What was that, a decade ago? 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eivion Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 13 hours ago, RolandTHTG said: Other issue with the three underdog babyfaces - Rollins, Becky and Kofi, some gotta not go over. Becky is not an underdog face. She is Austin. Even the injury will seemingly be healed by the time the match rolls around seeing that they had her walking on her power on SDL this week. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 I'm going to want to throw something everytime I see a video package now. I never thought about them before, but yeah, they eat up way too much time. Also, all of the video packages fucking suck. What was the last good one? Daniel Bryan's Monster video? It's crazy to think that this is the same company that gave us that video, the Austin/Rock My Way video, the Miz Hate Me Now video, and they can't come remotely close to making a video package that is compelling or stirs any emotions. It's all just shit video packages set to shit music. This is another department that NXT just blows the main roster out of the water. The Executioner's Tax video for War Games immediately springs to mind. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 48 minutes ago, Craig H said: I'm going to want to throw something everytime I see a video package now. I never thought about them before, but yeah, they eat up way too much time. Also, all of the video packages fucking suck. What was the last good one? Daniel Bryan's Monster video? It's crazy to think that this is the same company that gave us that video, the Austin/Rock My Way video, the Miz Hate Me Now video, and they can't come remotely close to making a video package that is compelling or stirs any emotions. It's all just shit video packages set to shit music. This is another department that NXT just blows the main roster out of the water. The Executioner's Tax video for War Games immediately springs to mind. One you didn't mention in that great list of video packages, The Undertaker vs. Shawn Michaels set to Placebo's cover of Running up that Hill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 Still WWE's best. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 I think this is the very best, but yours is good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterien Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 If Orton and AJ keep cutting promos like their first one I think they’ll have a pretty good hype video. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbarrie Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 I have to disagree with all the hate for the video packages. They provide necessary context, and are a lot less painful to get through than the weekly shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MORELOCK Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 49 minutes ago, tbarrie said: I have to disagree with all the hate for the video packages. They provide necessary context, and are a lot less painful to get through than the weekly shows. That's kind of the entire issue - the weekly shows would be much less painful if they weren't 30% video package filler. The context is only necessary for people who don't watch the shows, and the company shouldn't encourage that. People will feel like they should watch the shows or they'll miss something important instead of knowing for a fact that every important segment will get replayed to death on literally every single show for at least a month. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Cincinnati Posted March 17, 2019 Author Share Posted March 17, 2019 16 hours ago, Craig H said: Also, all of the video packages fucking suck. What was the last good one? Daniel Bryan's Monster video? It's crazy to think that this is the same company that gave us that video, the Austin/Rock My Way video, the Miz Hate Me Now video, and they can't come remotely close to making a video package that is compelling or stirs any emotions. It's all just shit video packages set to shit music. Even the good ones have garbage music. Imagine Dragons and Limp Bizkit are awful. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 I think Scott Stapp is an asshole but "My Sacrifice" was a good song. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehabilitated Rick Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 I'll take Limp Bizkit over Imagine Dragons any day. 'My Way' is burned into my brain with how frequently I watched my Wrestlemania 17 VHS tape after school. The GOAT theme (closely followed by 'Greenlight' by Pitbull). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Cincinnati Posted March 17, 2019 Author Share Posted March 17, 2019 @Rick doesn't like @Craig H. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 Just now, West Newbury Bad Boy said: @Rick doesn't like @Craig H. It's even on the same fucking page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehabilitated Rick Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 I have an attention deficit for people without avatars. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 My laziness knows no bounds. It's been years since I had an avatar. Can't bring myself to add one. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Cincinnati Posted March 17, 2019 Author Share Posted March 17, 2019 19 hours ago, Craig H said: Also, all of the video packages fucking suck. What was the last good one? Daniel Bryan's Monster video? It's crazy to think that this is the same company that gave us that video, the Austin/Rock My Way video, the Miz Hate Me Now video, and they can't come remotely close to making a video package that is compelling or stirs any emotions. I'd like to go back to this point for a moment. Sorry for blowing up your notifications so much in this thread, Craig. You bring up some interesting points. I think they're just as capable as they've ever been at making great packages that stir emotion. I wouldn't compare everything against those all-time great packages that hold a special place in a lot of hearts, but there are plenty of examples since Mania 30 that got me excited for matches. Of course a lot of that is Roman or Dean stuff, and I know you've specifically not along for the ride on a lot of that Roman push. So I could see it not having the same effect on you. Which is what it is. If you're not emotionally invested to begin with, it probably won't stir you no matter what. That's fair. Lot of history. Cheesy generic song to make everything a bit more dramatic. And Dean's promos tend to add a voice that elevates these sizzle reels. I think that's quality stuff that's about on par with what people imagine a WWE-quality video package should be. I'd argue that they're almost too good at the sizzle reels. Example: Great video package. Gets you so hyped you almost forget the build was nothing. Their production so good it could polish any turd to a certain extent. Getting away from matches, their HOF and tribute packages definitely still stir. I think they've still got the goods with video package. But if you're a bit cold to a lot of the current product (and a lot of people are), they only go so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Guy Eddie Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, West Newbury Bad Boy said: Even the good ones have garbage music. Imagine Dragons and Limp Bizkit are awful. The best we're going to get was the one Takeover that had "Ace of Spades" as its theme song. There was a ppv around 2005-ish that had Ozzy's "I Don't Wanna Stop" as its theme song. I marked the fuck out again when Brent Albright used "I Don't Wanna Stop" in ROH. Summerslam '98 made me eternally sick of "Highway to Hell". Edited March 17, 2019 by Nice Guy Eddie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Cincinnati Posted March 17, 2019 Author Share Posted March 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said: The best we're going to get was the one Takeover that had "Ace of Spades" as its theme song. That was London. I don't they used it in a promo package though. IIRC, there was a lame Struts song for the Revival-Enzo/Cass match. I don't think they used Ace of Spades for Joe-Balor. But I'm too lazy to log into the Network and find out for certain. Also, for anyone who doubts the Revival, their matches against Enzo/Cass in London and Toronto were pretty darn good. Dash and Dawson knew exactly what to do with all the crowd support Enzo and Cass had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamBroken Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 Less video packages that are just recap clips of what happened the last month, more feud videos set to music, especially songs that'll stick with you like My Way, Running Up that Hill, Monster, etc. Those are always the best and can add a lot to a match. In recent years, in addition to the Roman/Taker one linked above, I loved the Roman/HHH "Hail to the King" for 32. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 I have no problem with the packages. Just air them in the fucking pre-show. Maybe the actual main event package on the main show. Just speed this damn thing up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Execproducer Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 I forget which show it was but the package for a New Day- Uso's match got me to watch it where I was going to skip yet another New Days-Uso's match because I needed to get to sleep. "Nine years in the game!!....Zero Wrestlemanias!!" And then Big E's comeback. On the other hand, every time I see a package involving Shane I figure maybe I should watch. And I always regret it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MORELOCK Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 6 hours ago, West Newbury Bad Boy said: Getting away from matches, their HOF and tribute packages definitely still stir. I can see where you're coming from on just about everything you said, but the music they put in their tribute packages is fucking TERRIBLE. I'd rather follow Imagine Dragons around on tour than regularly listen to this. And it absolutely takes a whole lot away from the package, this being a great example of one that would have come off a million times better had they not felt the need to put some bullshit corny uplifting adult contemporary in the background. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachchaos Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 The promo packages are generally terrible but they're a necessary evil for the endless hours of TV they have to fill and it makes sense to put them on the Network specials to recap everything since most people are not watching the TV. So it's a double edged sword and unfortunately we'll be stuck with them forever. What I miss more than anything is just a good old fashioned interview with a wrestler cutting a promo into a microphone before they walk down the aisle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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