Fat Spanish Waiter Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 Ironic that Whedon makes shows for major networks with higher ratings requirements instead of trying a cable network. I think a Whedon HBO show would expose him though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.Rex-n-effeckx Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 I'm not sure what the point of this whole thread is. Is the store that sells 1000 $10 purses a better business model than the one that sell one $10,000 purse? Is the store that sells one $10,000 purse a better business model than the one selling 1000 $10 purses? We all know wrestling does good ratings but high end advertisers aren't interested in it. People can make money off shows that have a smaller but wealthier viewership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 I think it is kind of like people who claim they love food, but order well done steak. Probably because they hate having the runs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petey Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Big Bang Theory is a good show. Far from great, but solidly into good. Jim Parsons and Simon Helberg are both great on it. The female case is pretty strong too. I'll admit my crush on Melissa Rauch plays into my viewership. I have very strange taste in television. I love critically acclaimed things like Breaking Bad and Arrested Development but I also love lots of the stuff people look down on...BBT, Everybody Loves Raymond, King of Queens, Jersey Shore, Pro Wrestling... I fucking love (harharhar) Everybody Loves Raymond. I hate King of Queens because I find it too unrealistic and really not funny, but Raymond's great. The characters are far more relatable. Except Debra because no one is that much of a bitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 I always loved the idea that Whedon was a feminist simply because his shows featured (gorgeous, scantily-clad women) kicking ass. Hot babes with superpowers. Betty Friedan would be proud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Ironic that Whedon makes shows for major networks with higher ratings requirements instead of trying a cable network.I think a Whedon HBO show would expose him though. In the case of the last two shows, SHIELD is owned by Marvel, which is owned by Disney, which owns ABC. Dollhouse was commissioned because Eliza Dushku had a deal with Fox. The guy's had 15+ years of television. What the fuck more do you need to "expose" somebody? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SovietShooter Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 "I would rather make a show that 100 people need to see than one that 1,000 people want to see." - Joss Whedon That seems really snobby. I need to breathe. I don't need to watch TV. I think what Whedon means there is that there are some things that attract cult/diehard followings, and in the long term, those type of things can be more fulfilling/profitable than something that has a higher viewership. As a compare & contrast, I will often stop on King of Queens if nothing else is on. But I own Battlestar Galactaca DVDs. People don't go to CSI conventions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Ironic that Whedon makes shows for major networks with higher ratings requirements instead of trying a cable network.I think a Whedon HBO show would expose him though. In the case of the last two shows, SHIELD is owned by Marvel, which is owned by Disney, which owns ABC. Dollhouse was commissioned because Eliza Dushku had a deal with Fox. The guy's had 15+ years of television. What the fuck more do you need to "expose" somebody? Maybe directing one of the most popular movies of all time. I guarantee you Avengers would have been a train wreck directed by anyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Spanish Waiter Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Ironic that Whedon makes shows for major networks with higher ratings requirements instead of trying a cable network.I think a Whedon HBO show would expose him though. In the case of the last two shows, SHIELD is owned by Marvel, which is owned by Disney, which owns ABC. Dollhouse was commissioned because Eliza Dushku had a deal with Fox. The guy's had 15+ years of television. What the fuck more do you need to "expose" somebody? Are you off your fucking meds or something? Which one of those was on HBO? Or AMC? Or Showtime? Or any other cable network? Put him on there, give the guy the same freedom they gave Shawn Ryan, Kurt Sutter etc, and see how it goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Why is FSW acting like my own personal idea of heaven would somehow not work out? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Ironic that Whedon makes shows for major networks with higher ratings requirements instead of trying a cable network.I think a Whedon HBO show would expose him though. In the case of the last two shows, SHIELD is owned by Marvel, which is owned by Disney, which owns ABC. Dollhouse was commissioned because Eliza Dushku had a deal with Fox. The guy's had 15+ years of television. What the fuck more do you need to "expose" somebody? Maybe directing one of the most popular movies of all time. I guarantee you Avengers would have been a train wreck directed by anyone else. Define train wreck in this scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Spanish Waiter Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Why is FSW acting like my own personal idea of heaven would somehow not work out? Whedon, to me, comes across as a dude who can't keep the train on the tracks. The peaks and valleys in Buffy were pretty extreme. Angel was crap. Firefly was good. Dollhouse was guff. I feel like unrestrained, untouched Whedon, with all the freedom of cable would basically show everyone that he's not as good as everyone thinks. Moreover, that he's not as good as he thinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 There are other people who could have directed The Avengers as well, or even better (although I don't know if anyone else would have hit that beautiful long take shot going through the whole battle that I loved) but I'm not sure there is anyone else alive who could have done as good a job writing the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Why is FSW acting like my own personal idea of heaven would somehow not work out? Whedon, to me, comes across as a dude who can't keep the train on the tracks. The peaks and valleys in Buffy were pretty extreme. Angel was crap. Firefly was good. Dollhouse was guff. I feel like unrestrained, untouched Whedon, with all the freedom of cable would basically show everyone that he's not as good as everyone thinks. Moreover, that he's not as good as he thinks. I guess the difference here is that BTVS is my favorite show ever, Angel is third, Firefly makes my top 15 (and would be so much higher if it had gotten a few seasons) and Dollhouse probably cracks my top 50 (seriously, the last 6 or 7 episodes are just balls out awesome television by a crew that flat out knew they weren't getting a season 3, and just threw everything out they could, and turned what had been an "okay" show into something mesmerizing.) Also, I think he was less restrained than you think, at least on Buffy and Angel, as him threatening to pack his office immediately led to the WB caving to him on letting a lesbian kiss on the air. Most accounts are that he did get his vision pretty much perfectly intact on those two shows, outside the first season or so of Buffy. Firefly and Dollhouse are a different story, and I'm sure AoS is being micromanaged to a serious degree (and he doesn't have nearly the same level of day to day involvement, anyway.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Spanish Waiter Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 So what you're saying is what we've seen is all he has to offer? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranesi Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Angel was awesome. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 No, what I'm saying is he is your one true God, and worship him, you mere mortal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Spanish Waiter Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 No, what I'm saying is he is your one true God, and worship him, you mere mortal. Has he given Ron Perlman a steady line of work? So he's behind GDT and Sutter to start with. Don't make me start on the Robert Patrick line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 There are other people who could have directed The Avengers as well, or even better (although I don't know if anyone else would have hit that beautiful long take shot going through the whole battle that I loved) but I'm not sure there is anyone else alive who could have done as good a job writing the movie. This is pretty much how I feel. Some of this is preference, but I can't imagine the type of director who could have fucked up The Avengers with a good script. And I am sure someone probably could come up with a list. However, what would have been the odds that they even went with someone not like Joss Weldon? That person probably wouldn't have the resume, but at least had appropriate knowledge of the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Well, he did write a movie Pearlman was in, but, the less said about that film, the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Spanish Waiter Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Well, he did write a movie Pearlman was in, but, the less said about that film, the better. Shit dude he wrote Titan AE as well as Alien 4. He HAS given Ron a steadyish stream of work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Shit, that's right. I always forget about Titan AE. *ponders to himself: How the fuck do I not own Titan AE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 JW wrote Titan AE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Yup, the film that pretty much ended Fox's hand drawn animation studio/collaboration with Don Bluth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumanChessgame Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Titan AE is seriously underrated. I think I may watch that again tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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