Gonzalez Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 I'm taking a guess... Hurt is not really a Doctor, but is in fact The Master, and has somehow given the Doctor fake memories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Bonus: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raziel Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 I imagine this is a 90 minute episode and not a standard hour? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doubting El Dandy Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 I imagine this is a 90 minute episode and not a standard hour? Correct~! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doubting El Dandy Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 That line from Hurt was fantastic!"Great men a forged in fire, it is the privilege of lesser men to light the flame". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Control Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 I'm taking a guess... Hurt is not really a Doctor, but is in fact The Master, and has somehow given the Doctor fake memories. I'm guessing (like many others) that he's either the eighth doctor, or a regeneration between McGann and Eccleston. Either way, he'll be the Doctor who fought the Time War Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted November 10, 2013 Author Share Posted November 10, 2013 Based on the clips in the trailer, it does look like we will be seeing the time war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool arrow Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Given that the Doctor owns all the awful things we know about him doing, from personal betrayal all the way to genocide, he must've done something ridiculously horrible during the Time War. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted November 11, 2013 Author Share Posted November 11, 2013 Killing/trapping the daleks and time lords in some kind of limbo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raziel Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 I'm pretty sure that its established (End of Time) that The Doctor *was* the person that basically wiped Gallefrey and Skarro from existance to end the War, and only a handful of Daleks got away (enough to repopulate) and that the Time Lords unsuccessfully used The Master as a beacon to escape. Couple stills showed that Hurt's wearing clothing similar to 8, with an overcoat. If Hurt's supposed to be an older 8, I don't know why they just didn't go get McGann, he's still working. Hurt's probably the real 9 and we're just going to have to change the numbers for Eccelston, Tennant, and Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bustronaut Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Here's my crazy theory - Hurt is a battle-worn Third Doctor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted November 11, 2013 Author Share Posted November 11, 2013 As a who fan boy, i dont think Moffat would do anything that would cause renumbering of the Doctors. The most logical answer, even before seeing this footage, is that he's the eighth doctor, the one doctor whose regeneration we have not seen on screen, either old or worn out from the Time War. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 I think every indication is that they're inserting Hurt into the gap when the show was off the air, that we'll get a minisode with McGann regenerating into Hurt, that Hurt is the one who ended the time war and killed the Time Lords/Daleks, and that they then do not consider him a "doctor" since he committed acts that do not deserve the name. The only question is whether or not the regeneration from McGann to Hurt happened before the beginning of the time war or not. I think from everything we've seen any other possibility is extremely unlikely. Extremely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raziel Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 As a who fan boy, i dont think Moffat would do anything that would cause renumbering of the Doctors.The most logical answer, even before seeing this footage, is that he's the eighth doctor, the one doctor whose regeneration we have not seen on screen, either old or worn out from the Time War. Again, not complaining about the use of Hurt, but McGann played 8 15 years ago. If Hurt is just 8, why not save a few bucks (because I'm sure as hell Hurt ain't cheap) and just get McGann. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Why have the filet mignon when you can have a sirloin? Because the filet mignon is fucking awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool arrow Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 As a who fan boy, i dont think Moffat would do anything that would cause renumbering of the Doctors.The most logical answer, even before seeing this footage, is that he's the eighth doctor, the one doctor whose regeneration we have not seen on screen, either old or worn out from the Time War. Again, not complaining about the use of Hurt, but McGann played 8 15 years ago. If Hurt is just 8, why not save a few bucks (because I'm sure as hell Hurt ain't cheap) and just get McGann. Because the cliffhanger wouldn't have worked then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 There's also this: Moffat's staying another year. 11 is regenerating. If 11 is really 12, then Moffat gets to tell the story of the doctor's last life which is something the egomaniac in him would jump at, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bustronaut Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Moffat is leaving, officially? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 I don't think it is official. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bustronaut Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Thumbs down, Matt. > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted November 11, 2013 Author Share Posted November 11, 2013 There's also this: Moffat's staying another year. 11 is regenerating. If 11 is really 12, then Moffat gets to tell the story of the doctor's last life which is something the egomaniac in him would jump at, I think.Unless they get rid of / have gotten rid of the 12 regeneration rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 There's also this: Moffat's staying another year. 11 is regenerating. If 11 is really 12, then Moffat gets to tell the story of the doctor's last life which is something the egomaniac in him would jump at, I think.Unless they get rid of / have gotten rid of the 12 regeneration rule. I still think they can get around it somehow by using a similar explanation to how the Master received another regeneration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool arrow Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 This has nothing to do with anything, but the second Doctor's forced regeneration has always bothered me. Really, for all intents and purposes, he was executed by the Time Lords. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Way more conceptually interesting than falling off an exercise bike. There's also this: Moffat's staying another year. 11 is regenerating. If 11 is really 12, then Moffat gets to tell the story of the doctor's last life which is something the egomaniac in him would jump at, I think.Unless they get rid of / have gotten rid of the 12 regeneration rule. I still think they can get around it somehow by using a similar explanation to how the Master received another regeneration. The thing is, that for a time, I don't think Moffat WANTS to get around it. I think he wants to delve in and really milk its for its dramatic gravitas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 So, the equivalent of Star Trek: TNG writers making Piccard into a Borg and then saying adios? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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