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1 hour ago, Raziel said:
Bubba brought him backstage.  No video of the incident.  It's a he said/he said situation.  Bubba should've never put himself and the company in that position.  

Plot thickening: On the "Bubba brought him backstage" front...at the last point, it has been claimed that the "security" who brought the guy backstage to Bully Ray was Hunter Johnson.

So, it adds another person in power at ROH to the mix, and adds more questions there.

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45 minutes ago, SorceressKnight said:

Plot thickening: On the "Bubba brought him backstage" front...at the last point, it has been claimed that the "security" who brought the guy backstage to Bully Ray was Hunter Johnson.

So, it adds another person in power at ROH to the mix, and adds more questions there.

LOLROH

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1 hour ago, SorceressKnight said:

Plot thickening: On the "Bubba brought him backstage" front...at the last point, it has been claimed that the "security" who brought the guy backstage to Bully Ray was Hunter Johnson.

So, it adds another person in power at ROH to the mix, and adds more questions there.

Awwww Sweet Jesus.

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Just now, Dewar said:

Now I want to know how the fan didn't recognize Delirious. I assume the beard would be a dead giveaway.

No mask and actually spoke in non-lizard?

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2 minutes ago, Raziel said:

No mask and actually spoke in non-lizard?

That's why I referenced the beard. Who else has a two foot long beard that looks like his? Should be a dead giveaway for someone who is spending money on an ROH show.

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True, but then again, you don't really expect the head booker to be the one to come out and escort you back to assumingly get tuned up by the other booker like you jumped the rail in a Watts territory, so not picking up that Hunter is taking you back is somewhat understandable.

 

That said, it's not a real good look that after a match were Leon allegedly spit at and otherwise physically touched a fan without physical provocation, that the head booker, who she allegedly had/is having an affair with came out to take a fan out of the crowd and to the back, to have a private conversation with a known asshole and guy that has also allegedly abused fans into not showing up at shows anymore (see: stories of the OG Sign Guy at ECW after Sign Guy Dudley started), who also happens to be the Significant Other of another person said fan got into a verbal "altercation" with.  Yeah, it's handled poorly and Koff, Juster. and Gilleland should be having a serious conversation about the company's future right now. 

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13 minutes ago, Dewar said:

Oh, they all look like morons, no doubt. 

Yeah, can I just go ahead and hate all the parties involved?  Much easier that way.

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Oh yeah, the fan is pond scum too.  But out of all of the ways for the RoH people to have handled the situation,  they went and picked the second worse one.

 

The worst would've been if Bubba actually turned the dude up.

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11 hours ago, RIPPA said:

Apparently (and again we are into third and fourth hand territory here) this is not the first time Bully has done this to someone.

Yeah, I don't like Bully Ray. From all accounts, D-Von is cool and Bubba's an asshole. When it comes to a tag team like that, how much can you take? You don't want to punish the good guy when the other is trouble.

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The Josh fellow on Twitter comes off like a major douchebag. Sounds like he just should've been kicked out or warned by security. I don't get why all these journalists are rallying to his defense like he's some sort of innocent choir boy in all of this.

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I will give Bubba a tiny bit of possible credit: he's hopefully matured a lot between 1996 and 2019, so maybe holding the incredibly misogynistic promos against him is slightly unfair.

That said, not one person looks good in this mess.

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25 minutes ago, TheVileOne said:

The Josh fellow on Twitter comes off like a major douchebag. Sounds like he just should've been kicked out or warned by security. I don't get why all these journalists are rallying to his defense like he's some sort of innocent choir boy in all of this.

There's a large subsection of the fanbase who truly believe that the customer is always right, the fans are 100% infallible, and because of that, anything that even the worst fan humanly possible does is completely justified, if not downright heroic. 

 

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1 hour ago, TheVileOne said:

The Josh fellow on Twitter comes off like a major douchebag. Sounds like he just should've been kicked out or warned by security. I don't get why all these journalists are rallying to his defense like he's some sort of innocent choir boy in all of this.

Because it is cool to dunk on RoH now, because nobody likes Bully and because nobody likes Allure either. I can guarantee you that if this happened in AEW and some fans threw some lewd comments at Brandi and Cody did what Bully did then coverage of this situation would be way more balanced.

But, most fascinating thing to me is responses from other wrestling fans. Some claim that this guy is asshole in most shows that he attends and others say that he is cool dude that never caused any problems. It is likely that one side is lying and he is actually an asshole or an angel, but to me it looks like there is huge divide among USA wrestling fans when it comes to what is and what is not okay to do in the shows.

Heel getting heat argument is ridiculous either way. If you shout at woman that she is where she is only due to sleeping with someone backstage then she is not getting heat as a wrestler, she is getting heat as a person.

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It's just another thing I don't get about Twitter seeing people rallying around this guy when he seems to be patting himself on the back for cursing out heels and treating him like he's Bret Hart and was basically assaulted or something. 

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There's a large subsection of the fanbase who truly believe that the customer is always right, the fans are 100% infallible, and because of that, anything that even the worst fan humanly possible does is completely justified, if not downright heroic. 

I mean, I think it's fine for fans to boo heels. But unruly fans getting taken out by security or getting dragged away when they jump the rails or whatever should also be an option.

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I think where Buh Buh, and ROH are ultimately at fault is not just kicking the guy out on the spot, and instead Buh Buh took it personal by having the one on one with this asshole. Hope he had a legit witness, or somebody recording this backstage, because this could be a he said, he said situation. Also what’s the legal ramifications for holding somebody without a justifiable reason?

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Basically, there are no good guy in this whole deal, everyone is terrible, just in different shades.  It doesn't even matter if Bubba had a witness, he's got history tied into it NOT being ok, under any circumstances, to bring a problem fan backstage to discuss his behavior.  That should've been by security, on the floor in front of the rest of the crowd.  Bubba can sit there and go "I wasn't trying to be intimidating" all he wants, he's 6'3" 280 with a rep and standing in the back out of public eye.  Most people in that situation that has knowledge of wrestling earlier than 2000 know that if you don't smile and nod, you're getting your ass kicked, and if you fight back, you're now getting your ass kicked by the locker room instead of one guy.  

 

The bottom line, he should've been tossed.  Bubba and Hunter made a huge mistake, either because they thought it'd be magnanimous of them to give the guy a second chance,  or they were covering for something else.  They put their company in a bind, because the story is now "act up, and they'll bring you back to 'come to an understanding'," and that they're ok with intimidating paying customers.  RoH isn't just a promoter, it's a subsidiary of a very large media conglomerate what just bought a fuckton of regional sports networks and exists in the corporate world.  In that world, embarrassing the company is frowned apon and people that embarrass the company don't find themselves employed at the company very long.  

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1 hour ago, LoneWolf&Subs said:

I think where Buh Buh, and ROH are ultimately at fault is not just kicking the guy out on the spot, and instead Buh Buh took it personal by having the one on one with this asshole. Hope he had a legit witness, or somebody recording this backstage, because this could be a he said, he said situation. Also what’s the legal ramifications for holding somebody without a justifiable reason?

He said he voluntarily went with them so I doubt they can claim unlawful detention.

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