Zakk_Sabbath Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Re: the HBO talk, wasn't this sort of like what that Jeff Katz' Wrestling Revolution project was supposed to be? I know there was the whole thing where the footage wasn't usable allegedly but I mean in it's infancy, when they were talking about possibly trying to make a deal with AMC I feel like this was sort of the concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWolf&Subs Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 5 hours ago, SorceressKnight said: The blood/bumps would be one thing (and it's always going to be a LITTLE risky, since you can't exactly use stuntmen regularly for pro wrestling), and if it's an HBO show, the adult themes people would expect would...well, mean they'd have to go further than just bra and panties. (PROTIP: That's going to dramatically lower the quality on the talent side, because the amount of good wrestlers, who'd also be willing to do nudity, would be relatively low.) You could get porn actors like HBO does for their shows. What’s Chief Morley up to? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 6 hours ago, SorceressKnight said: It's hard not to say it without a "Settle Down, Hollywood SorceressKnightico" coming to it, but...with the adult themes you'd expect from an HBO show, it'd probably go past the Attitude Era adult themes. The blood/bumps would be one thing (and it's always going to be a LITTLE risky, since you can't exactly use stuntmen regularly for pro wrestling), and if it's an HBO show, the adult themes people would expect would...well, mean they'd have to go further than just bra and panties. (PROTIP: That's going to dramatically lower the quality on the talent side, because the amount of good wrestlers, who'd also be willing to do nudity, would be relatively low.) HBO presents ... the DVDVR sleaze thread 1 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWolf&Subs Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 11 minutes ago, odessasteps said: HBO presents ... the DVDVR sleaze thread Oh man I’d absolutely love an anthology show based on the sleaziest moments from that list. Marty Jannetty could be a reoccurring character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurningBeard Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Zakk_Sabbath said: Re: the HBO talk, wasn't this sort of like what that Jeff Katz' Wrestling Revolution project was supposed to be? I know there was the whole thing where the footage wasn't usable allegedly but I mean in it's infancy, when they were talking about possibly trying to make a deal with AMC I feel like this was sort of the concept. Ahhhh Wrestling Revolution! I couldn't for the life of me remember that name when the rumblings about AEW first got leaked. I remember a similar level of buzz at the time at the potential of Wrestling Revolution. Not drawing comparisons between the two but it was an association I jumped to 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dewar Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 "Russian Nightmare" Nikita Koloff seemed to be ready-made as a Hogan foe in the late 1980's. Very surprised he never jumped over for a run with Hogan. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zakk_Sabbath Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 33 minutes ago, CreativeControl said: Ahhhh Wrestling Revolution! I couldn't for the life of me remember that name when the rumblings about AEW first got leaked. I remember a similar level of buzz at the time at the potential of Wrestling Revolution. Not drawing comparisons between the two but it was an association I jumped to I was really into the idea of it too just because (and I've said it many times before) I just grew so tired of the traditional arena presentation and people were saying it was supposed to be like a modern Wrestling At The Chase or something, which I've only ever seen in that weird Bob Costas doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happ Hazzard Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 14 minutes ago, Dewar said: "Russian Nightmare" Nikita Koloff seemed to be ready-made as a Hogan foe in the late 1980's. Very surprised he never jumped over for a run with Hogan. Did Koloff get a good guaranteed contract before Crockett got into trouble? He was wise to stay IMO. WWF would have had Hogan squash him on SNME just to prove Hogan's superiority over Flair. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 3 hours ago, Zakk_Sabbath said: I know there was the whole thing where the footage wasn't usable allegedly... I've seen a bit of that on YouTube (it was the angle where Joey Ryan's character came out of the closet) and it did look pretty bad, VQ wise. But that might have just been a crappy transfer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Regarding the Jeff Katz thing, the buzz or excitement for it wasn't nearly as big as you may think. This is the one thing I'm foggy about, but I think it started out as a Kickstarter, which immediately throws up red flags. Gary Whitta, a wrestling fan, games journalist, screenwriter, and podcaster was attached to write episodes. The way they described it was the wrestling version of The Shield. That's what really perked ears. A focused wrestling series and these two guys named one of the greatest tv series of all time as inspiration for their project. Beyond that, you had guys like Kenny Omega and Prince Devitt attached to it, among others. However, that this was a Kickstarter thing made it extremely questionable whether or not it would be seen. And it wasn't seen. It basically died on the vine and it's a big example of the risks with Kickstarter because backers never got what they backed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted January 14, 2019 Author Share Posted January 14, 2019 https://variety.com/2019/digital/news/endeavor-streaming-wwe-customer-disney-1203107071/ Quote The newly formed Endeavor Streaming products and services division has announced wrestling-entertainment mainstay WWE as a marquee client. Previously, WWE had relied on BAMTech, now called Disney Streaming Services, to deliver its over-the-top WWE Network subscription service since its launch in early 2014. WWE’s agreement with Disney Streaming Services expired at the end of 2018 and WWE opted to not renew that deal. “Endeavor Streaming’s best-in-class technology enables us to offer more features, elevate the user experience and provides us even more opportunity to delight our fans around the world,” WWE chairman/CEO Vince McMahon said in a statement. WWE also Monday announced a partnership with Massive Interactive, a user-interface design firm recently acquired by Deltatre, which together with the Endeavor Streaming pact is “part of our evolving strategy to own more of the WWE Network technology stack,” WWE said in a statement. The Endeavor Streaming group combines the talent agency and media company’s internally developed video platform technology with NeuLion, a technology product and service provider specializing in digital video broadcasting, distribution and monetization. Endeavor acquired NeuLion for $250 million in March 2018. With the formation of Endeavor Streaming, the NeuLion brand name will be discontinued. Endeavor Streaming’s clients also include the NFL, NBA, Euroleague, Univision, Sportsnet, Sky Sports, MSG, National Geographic, and Big Ten Network. In addition, the group will continue supporting the streaming products of Endeavor-owned properties including UFC’s UFC.TV and Fight Pass and PBR’s Ride Pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolfan in NYC Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Odd, I thought the Network was on MLB's Advanced Media platform. Did that change at some point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted January 14, 2019 Author Share Posted January 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, Dolfan in NYC said: Odd, I thought the Network was on MLB's Advanced Media platform. Did that change at some point? Sorta - BAMTech was spun off of MLB Quote BAMTech Media is a technology subsidiary of The Walt Disney Company located in Manhattan, New York City.[2] It was established in 2015 as a spin-off of MLB Advanced Media—the digital media arm of Major League Baseball, focused on providing streaming video technology, particularly for over-the-top content (OTT) services. The company's major clients include ESPN (for its WatchESPN service), the NHL, HBO (for its HBO Now service), the PGA Tour, Riot Games (for League of Legends e-sports), PlayStation Vue, WWE Network[3][4] and TheBlaze. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 2 hours ago, Zakk_Sabbath said: I was really into the idea of it too just because (and I've said it many times before) I just grew so tired of the traditional arena presentation and people were saying it was supposed to be like a modern Wrestling At The Chase or something, which I've only ever seen in that weird Bob Costas doc There are 12 volumes of classic Wrestling At The Chase on the Global Wrestling Network. It's a unique venue/atmosphere and all the top guys came through. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zakk_Sabbath Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 51 minutes ago, Brian Fowler said: There are 12 volumes of classic Wrestling At The Chase on the Global Wrestling Network. It's a unique venue/atmosphere and all the top guys came through. Good look! I was actually just considering signing up the other night after watching the Nigel doc and seeing the ad at the end. I had no idea there was non-TNA stuff on there really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 5 minutes ago, Zakk_Sabbath said: Good look! I was actually just considering signing up the other night after watching the Nigel doc and seeing the ad at the end. I had no idea there was non-TNA stuff on there really There's a ton of fairly random indie stuff, a few documentaries, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 I mean, for all the overdone talk about authority figures being a played out trope in wrestling. I'll say that announcers and colour commentators are even more played out. Realistically, I don't need, nor does a casual viewer need to be told what's happening here because it either is so painfully obvious what's happening to anyone with a room temperature IQ, or its so convoluted that any anthropologist couldn't explain what's going on. Conversely, I don't switch on GOT to be told "Vintage Jon Snow!", "the Mountain is rolling here!". Everyone wants a new Bobby Heenan and shits all over anyone who tries to be because they're not. Just find a new way to further the story you're trying to tell rather than the one that every other entertainment form does not use, but rather the sports product that it is most certainly, definitely, absolutely not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SorceressKnight Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 On the contrary, there's enough proof that announcers and color commentators are needed, depending on what they talk about the match. The proof seems to support this: Any time WWE releases a hidden gem of a match with no commentary, it almost seems offputting in a way, like you are just waiting for something to go through. Even with the obvious "well, puro never has announcers, or it's not subtitled/in a different language, and it works"- the fact that New Japan really started to click in the US because they added English commentary helps prove it there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zakk_Sabbath Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 37 minutes ago, SorceressKnight said: On the contrary, there's enough proof that announcers and color commentators are needed, depending on what they talk about the match. The proof seems to support this: Any time WWE releases a hidden gem of a match with no commentary, it almost seems offputting in a way, like you are just waiting for something to go through. Even with the obvious "well, puro never has announcers, or it's not subtitled/in a different language, and it works"- the fact that New Japan really started to click in the US because they added English commentary helps prove it there. Agreed. Two of the last matches without commentary I watched couldn't be more drastically different (Last Battle of Atlanta and that Ospreay/Ricochet NJPW match) and I felt the exact same way with both. I think it's sort of an unfair criticism just because we all know the situation with Vince in their ears at WWE. The WWE guys are good when they aren't over-produced (Mauro's great, Cole was great on Beast from the East and Evolution). Outside of WWE there's a steep quality drop off in my opinion (and that's not me being a homer, either, because I've always said that the late 90s WCW crew was my favorite, Dustyisms and all). J.R. unfortunately (and understandably) hasn't really been himself in NJPW and the less said about the Kevin Kellys and Josh Matthews and Matt Strikers of the world, the better. Tenay/Don West was such good/bad fun but that was like ten years ago now already. I don't watch a ton of Indies but when I do, most of the commentators sound like me as a 13 year old yelling "Oh shit dude, shades of Vader!" behind my dad's camcorder while two of my buddies roll around on the lawn. Wrestling needs good announcers, not no announcers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kang Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 I want one fed to do sports entertainment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 14 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said: Well, that's good to know that Rowe and Sarah aren't nazi pieces of shit like the Harris Bros. Yeah, they came off more like Ren Faire kids. 16 hours ago, Victator said: Luger was done in by not winning the title at Summerslam. They tried to drag it out and Lex cooled off by December. But he was super over in WCW no matter what. Barry jumping to the WWF was a mistake. He could have had a good run, but got caught up in the legal troubles his family was having. He went back to WCW and by the time he was nearly back to his 89 peak and was injured. Career wise he never recovered. If it weren't for Blackjack and Kendall fucking up, I think The Widowmaker could've been money. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Guy Eddie Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 9 minutes ago, Ace said: If it weren't for Blackjack and Kendall fucking up, I think The Widowmaker could've been money. and it wouldn't have been counterfeit money I think Barry would have gotten a program with Hogan, then settled in nicely into the IC picture & upper mid-card where he could easily be moved up for a world title feud, like Hennig, Rude, DiBiase, etc. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorman Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 46 minutes ago, Zakk_Sabbath said: Wrestling needs good announcers, not no announcers. Announcing pro wrestling is difficult, and that's why I like it. I feel like lots of announcers can call baseball or basketball, but not everyone can announce wrestling. Here's a video I made on how to be a great wrestling announcer. I was obviously inspired by Raven's playground promos in ECW. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 If Barry had stayed, he'd have probably had a program with Warrior during his title reign. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stefanie Without Stefanie Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 I have a feeling the problem with most wrestling announcing is that it's overdone (meaning you're trying to fit in too many things into what you're saying, or you're overanalyzing the aspects of the story you're supposed to be narrating), or it's emulation of what someone else has done and thus not your natural voice. I've announced several sports for nearly 15 years (including some pro wrestling), and wrestling is easily the one people overdo it the most in my experience. The flow is always better when it's conversational (made difficult with a three-person announcer crew) and not constantly focused on selling something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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