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5 hours ago, AxB said:

No. Hogan/ Bischoff era. The fan vote was their idea. Wolfe won the first week but they gave someone else the title shot instead. Then he won again and they put him in the match but jobbed him out quick. Then he won again because the fans wanted a proper title match, so they dropped the idea.

Wouldn't sane, logical booking say you, I don't know, give the guy a shot and see if maybe he drives some ratings/buys/ticket sales?

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I wish ABC had taken a punt on Vince McMahon instead of Bob Saget in the Danny Tanner role for Full House. Whether you leave everything else as is and just watch the show implode as coked up Vince constantly pitches Olsen incest storylines to the writing team, or "Suddenly, one day in Greenwich CT, Danny Tanner's wife, Linda dies suddenly in a cocaine accident and leaves Danny to raise his two kids, and decides to invite his two friends, Gorilla and Pat along for the ride (who plays Stamos and Coulier respectively is up to you)" is line ball.

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16 hours ago, Betsy Zeidler said:

I'm weirded out by the norse/viking stuff, that's generally an indicator of White Supremacist tendencies.

From the file marked: Things I thought in my head, but didn't really need to type out on an internet message board

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1 hour ago, Casey said:

Meltzer says Lars Sullivan hasn't debuted yet because he had an anxiety attack before RAW this week and went back home to Colorado. I've had quite a few of those in my life, and they're no joke.

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Sullivan, real name Dylan Miley, 30, was scheduled to debut on the main roster, probably in a dark match, on the 1/7 Raw in Orlando. He either didn’t show up at the arena, or did and left the building, believed to be due to an anxiety attack.

The office, which is a lot more understanding of mental health issues to do its experience with Mauro Ranallo, talked with him and smoothed things out and everything was fine. He was then supposed to do a dark match at the 1/8 Smackdown tapings in Jacksonville. Not only did he not show up in Jacksonville, but he apparently flew back home to Colorado. Nothing else is known, whether they will change plans or how it will be handled.

Sullivan was scheduled for a monster push. The Cena match was confirmed and logic would say if he was facing Cena in his first big match, with Cena working limited dates and Sullivan being groomed to be one of the top guys in the company, that Sullivan would have won that match. But we were also told that would be premature and that while the match was on the books, there has been no discussion this far in advance regarding the finish.

While this was not told to us directly, all hints and signs pointed to the angle getting started at the Royal Rumble. So the Rumble show will likely tell the story as to whether they will go with this program or not. They may feel it’s just something they can work through or they may feel that it’s a risk giving that much of a push to him.

 

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21 hours ago, Betsy Zeidler said:

I'm weirded out by the norse/viking stuff, that's generally an indicator of White Supremacist tendencies.

Not always. Sometimes when you drop too much acid you see Vikings coming through your backyard, (at least if you're Jimmy Page).

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I think the word "generally" is probably the issue in that sentence. Quite a sweeping statement to make with nothing to support it but fear. "Better safe than sorry" doesn't seem like the best attitude to have when you're falsely accusing someone of being a white supremacist.

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2 minutes ago, mattdangerously said:

Until I hear differently, I'm just going to assume they're all fans of Walt Simonson's Thor comics. That shit ruled.

Read a few today, including Beta Ray Bill's debut. That's my favourite to date.

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My close friend/fellow musician/tattoo artist has a heavy interest in Norse mythology to the point that he has Mjolnir tattooed on his forehead, but he is also heavily into studying other esoteric beliefs and religions including Thelema, Wicca, sex magik, and other earthy/pagan/mystical stuff. he's a white dude who is married to a woman from the Dominican republic was also interested in a lot of the same things. They are, in their own way, huge fucking nerds about it. I definitely understand the idea of being wary of people adopting certain imagery and symbolism but there is definitely a large group of very varied individuals who like Norse mythology with zero attachment to - to definitive dismissal of - Nazi/white supremacist groups attempts at cultural appropriation. 

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6 hours ago, ReiseReise said:

It angers and pains me that white supremacists, neo Nazis and crazy right wingers taint and try to take away Viking/Norse stuff. It's not the worst thing they have done and continue doing, but it still makes me mad. 

Great post. Maybe you've seen it, but this reminds me of a Tolkien quote from 1941:

I have in this War a burning private grudge – which would probably make me a better soldier at 49 than I was at 22 [my note: he was at the Somme River in WWI]: against that ruddy little ignoramus Adolf Hitler (for the odd thing about demonic inspiration and impetus is that it in no way enhances the purely intellectual stature: it chiefly affects the mere will). Ruining, perverting, misapplying, and making for ever accursed, that noble northern spirit...

Still, in 1967, he was objecting to an English newspaper describing his imagined world as Nordic, because, he says, it was at the time associated with "racialist theories."

I'm not citing him for expertise--though he was a Germanic philologist and Oxford chair--as much as a very famous example that this conversation has intersected with pop culture before, so that it would end up being had on a pro wrestling message board isn't really all that shocking.

If anyone wants a couple short and accessible reads on this subject from 2017--because it's obviously and sadly still a thing, and the Portland murderer had just "hailed Vinland" to justify his killings--I think these are two pretty good pieces:

White supremacists love Vikings. But they've got history all wrong.

What To Do When Racists Try To Hijack Your Religion

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1 hour ago, mattdangerously said:

Until I hear differently, I'm just going to assume they're all just fans of Walt Simonson's Thor comics. That shit ruled.

Hell, yes! The hardcover collection was the best $100 bucks I've ever spent!

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8 minutes ago, Craig H said:

Let's get this back on track since my post of the viking wedding didn't exactly bring out the feels :(

If it helps any it did with me.  But I saw that before the post and the Viking discussion.

And the McMahons in a Sopranos-type show would be quite interesting to watch.

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2 hours ago, MORELOCK said:

I think the word "generally" is probably the issue in that sentence. Quite a sweeping statement to make with nothing to support it but fear. "Better safe than sorry" doesn't seem like the best attitude to have when you're falsely accusing someone of being a white supremacist.

As a marginalized person myself, Betsy's concern is fair. Obviously, one has to be careful when approaching topics like this. But our feelings are based multiple experiences of being abused, denied, and neglected. It's what we try to get across when something like this comes up, to provide insight from the other side.

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1 hour ago, Beech27 said:

[Tolkien quote] 

If anyone wants a couple short and accessible reads on this subject from 2017--because it's obviously and sadly still a thing, and the Portland murderer had just "hailed Vinland" to justify his killings--I think these are two pretty good pieces:

White supremacists love Vikings. But they've got history all wrong.

What To Do When Racists Try To Hijack Your Religion

Thanks a lot for the links. The quote is great. Tolkien also was about to publish the Hobbit in Germany very shortly before WWII according to an edition of the book I own. The German publisher - forced by law - asked him to proove  his pure Ariyan descent. Tolkien obliterated the Nazi-German definition of the term and then told them to get f'ed (in a sense). 

Btw, genuine Sorry @Craig H, I personally found the whole Video very heartwarming and sweet. 

Also, my rambling is in no way meant as a knock on @Betsy Zeidler or anyone with similar feelings. 

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7 minutes ago, Burgundy LaRue said:

As a marginalized person myself, Betsy's concern is fair. Obviously, one has to be careful when approaching topics like this. But our feelings are based multiple experiences of being abused, denied, and neglected. It's what we try to get across when something like this comes up, to provide insight from the other side.

As an Irish-American I have 1000 years of ancestral hate for the Nordic people in my DNA. That said, I grew up in the Scandinavian part of Seattle, known as Ballard. My family was the only one on the block whose last name didn't end in "sen" or "son". These folks have a statue of Leif Eriksen at the waterfront (though he never got close to the NW or even Minnesota, despite the bullshit legends). They have two different Eagles clubs, one for Swedes and one for Norwegians,  oh, and we have the Ballard Vikings in a parade every year. All told, pretty much harmless, sometimes silliness over ancestry is just silliness over ancestry. Anyone disputes this and I'll whack 'em with my shillelagh. ?

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