kafkonia Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Legitimate question. Including MMA and boxing has an underdog ever been a draw? Rocky? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mco543 Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Bret Hart? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomAct Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 I'd say Arturo Gatti was a great draw, but most people knew top tier fighters were going to beat him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kafkonia Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 I'm fine with Goldberg vs. Ryback being a squash as long as Goldberg is the one jobbing. Yeah, I cannot see any good coming from Goldberg beating Ryback. Just pay him whatever to make Ryback look good. How long is Brock's contract for? It seems like he is not the big draw they hoped him to be. He's had good matches, but they don't seem to translate well to a larger audience. I am curious about this though: SummerSlam 2013: 296,000 SummerSlam 2012: 358,000 SummerSlam 2011: 296,000 SummerSlam 2010: 350,000 SummerSlam 2009: 369,000 SummerSlam 2008: 477,000 SummerSlam 2007: 537,000 SummerSlam 2006: 529,000 I still think it is partially because of poor booking. Bryan went from comedy tag team champ to #1 contender really quickly. Now it is all about Show/HHH/Orton. So it did nearly an identical number to 2011, after 2012 halted the downward slide. Maybe it's just a case that they hadn't killed off Brock's drawing power yet, and he pushed the show up last year, but has fallen off this year? Cause you take 2012 out of there, and 2013 manages to hold steady with 2011, after years of steady drops. *shrug* You know who the special guest referee in the SummerSlam 2011 main was, when it dropped 54,000 buys from 2010? Triple H. You know who main evented Extreme Rules against Brock Lesnar, and drew 32,000 fewer buys than the year before? Triple H. Who was the penultimate match against Brock at WM 29, which drew 200,000 fewer buys than last year? Triple H. Am I saying Hunter's responsible for these drops? No. I'm just pointing out that you can build any number of cases for different people's presence/absence/position on the card affecting buyrates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 I think mostly what I was trying to say is that 2012 is the outlier on that list, not 2013. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Hero Morganti Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Especially since the main of 2012 was HHH vs Brock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebbie Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Is it possible that booking also hurts? I mean in 2010, Nexus was a bunch of nobies but the booking wasn't confusing and protected them. No one got exposed for being worst than they are and each guy (even Otunga and Young) were treated like they were important. If you have a character built around "who the fuck are you?" Which includes someone on air saying it, it shouldn't be a surprise when viewers think the same think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Also, Night of Champions did 92,000 buys domestic. Lowest in Night of Champions history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Speaking of WMXIX, I think it's a top ten Mania. XIX and XXIV are vastly underrated, even by the WWE. Well said. I'd go top three for WrestleMania XIX and XXIV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumanChessgame Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Has the WWE PPV schedule always been as excessive as it is nowadays? Them having 3 ppvs in 2 months, most of which aren't all that built up or made to feel much more important than a Raw episode probably doesn't do much to increase buyrates. It's also becoming increasingly easy to find them streaming online for free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Yesterday in 1998 marked one of the greatest matches in wrestling history, Kenta Kobashi vs. Mitsuharu Misawa in All Japan Pro Wrestling. For me it's the best match they had against each other. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MORELOCK Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Has the WWE PPV schedule always been as excessive as it is nowadays? Them having 3 ppvs in 2 months, most of which aren't all that built up or made to feel much more important than a Raw episode probably doesn't do much to increase buyrates. It's also becoming increasingly easy to find them streaming online for free. It actually used to be worse, they were just much better at hiding it when the brand split was around. It really just seems stupid to shoot themselves in the foot all through the fall season with that schedule when they could just put a PPV in March. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wooderson Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Who did the Shawn Micheals impersonation on the Scott Hall Art Of Wrestling episode? That shit had me cracking up. I would like to know as well. It's not a road trip without Kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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