sabremike Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 To balance out the negative 3 HOF'ers who are the absolute nicest guys I've ever met are Nolan Ryan, Tim Raines and Ralph Kiner (IIRC he is in the hall as both a player and a broadcaster) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabremike Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Also Scooter, can't forget Scooter! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Ape Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Roy’s vote into the Hall comes on the birthday of Carlos “Chooch” Ruiz, his catcher for both his perfect game and his postseason no-hitter in 2010 with the Phillies. I’m sure he’ll be enshrined as a Blue Jay, but he’ll always be a Phillie to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 3 hours ago, sabremike said: Flynn figured things out quick, got one of the black members of the crew and had him ask Bonds to sign it. Of course Bonds had no problem signing the ball for him I'm not trying to start an argument but I just don't see the issue here. Some folks just aren't going to fuck with most white people if they don't have to for reasons that go well beyond what this thread is intended for. Not saying Bonds isn't a huge asshole, he has had his moments but the media.. he doesn't owe anything. Just sticking to HOF, he's one of the best ever and belongs. They are going to vote in David Ortiz, let's not pretend for one second that they won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Guy Eddie Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Niners Fan in CT said: I'm not trying to start an argument but I just don't see the issue here. Some folks just aren't going to fuck with most white people if they don't have to for reasons that go well beyond what this thread is intended for. Not saying Bonds isn't a huge asshole, he has had his moments but the media.. he doesn't owe anything. Just sticking to HOF, he's one of the best ever and belongs. They are going to vote in David Ortiz, let's not pretend for one second that they won't. He's got three years left and I don't know if he makes the jump to 75% considering he couldn't break 60% this year. I doubt he gets voted in by the "Today's game committee" given the steroid suspicion and his demeanor towards the media. I'm not even going to get into his issues with racism. Those discussions never end well. At this point, I don't think it's a stretch to believe Bonds might not get in until after he passes away. I'm also of the belief Pete Rose will get elected after he passes away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 5 hours ago, odessasteps said: I bet there are some voters who voted for Bonds but not Clemens. Maybe, but Clemens is always getting a slightly higher percentage. They both have an argument for the GOAT, they both were noted assholes, they both lied about usage, they were both juiced well past the gills. I can see voting for both of them. I can, painfully, see voting for neither. But voting for one but not the other boggles my mind every year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Follow up question: Who are the two people who voted for Placido Polanco? Are they the same two that voted for Clemens and not Bonds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Man Known as Dan Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 This is where I get odd looks: While I wouldn't vote Polanco in the Hall, if gun to the head, I had to pick out the better ball player, I take Polanco over Vizquel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuetsar Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 10 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said: He's got three years left and I don't know if he makes the jump to 75% considering he couldn't break 60% this year. I doubt he gets voted in by the "Today's game committee" given the steroid suspicion and his demeanor towards the media. I'm not even going to get into his issues with racism. Those discussions never end well. At this point, I don't think it's a stretch to believe Bonds might not get in until after he passes away. I'm also of the belief Pete Rose will get elected after he passes away. Joe Jackson hasn't. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Guy Eddie Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Kuetsar said: Joe Jackson hasn't. . . I am aware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabremike Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Kuetsar said: Joe Jackson hasn't. . . But will he get into the Rock & Roll HOF???? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beech27 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 8 hours ago, El Dragon said: This is where I get odd looks: While I wouldn't vote Polanco in the Hall, if gun to the head, I had to pick out the better ball player, I take Polanco over Vizquel. Their career WAR and JAWS scores are very similar, but Polanco's peak WAR is higher. But on the subject of guys with double-digit gold gloves and sterling "eye test" defensive skills, it's really odd to me that Vizquel has so much more traction than Andruw Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSC Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 18 hours ago, RIPPA said: WHOO-HOO!!!! EAT IT EVERYONE!!! MARIANO 4 LIFE!!!! 100% or not you can never take this away from us all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 At least I manage my fantasy teams... And submit my Christmas Chaos review.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolfan in NYC Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 55 minutes ago, RIPPA said: At least I manage my fantasy teams... And submit my Christmas Chaos review.... ...unlike other reviews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 To be fair - I am working on one Of course I am halfway through a PPV when I realized you only requested one match from it 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabe Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Beech27 said: Their career WAR and JAWS scores are very similar, but Polanco's peak WAR is higher. But on the subject of guys with double-digit gold gloves and sterling "eye test" defensive skills, it's really odd to me that Vizquel has so much more traction than Andruw Jones Jones was so much better than Vizquel. It boggles the mind he got so much less support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSC Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 1 hour ago, RIPPA said: At least I manage my fantasy teams... And submit my Christmas Chaos review.... What's that? I can't hear you through all the way from 6th place up here in 5th place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChesterCopperpot Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 19 hours ago, Super Ape said: Roy’s vote into the Hall comes on the birthday of Carlos “Chooch” Ruiz, his catcher for both his perfect game and his postseason no-hitter in 2010 with the Phillies. I’m sure he’ll be enshrined as a Blue Jay, but he’ll always be a Phillie to me. He's not going in as a Jay or a Phillie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 And meanwhile Mussina is saying he hasn't decided on which cap he wants. Guessing I think he will end up wearing an Os cap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Amused the next target of HOF worthiness appears to be ... Bobby Abreu ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contentious C Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Abreu, lol. Jim Edmonds is giving Bobby some side-eye from their seats next to each other in the Hall of Very Good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Man Known as Dan Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 No, but seriously, Abreu was incredibly underatted. Career .395 OBP, an almost constant 900 OPS over a decade. 7 straight years above 5 WAR, a career WAA of about 28 which would put him in my "Actually has a pretty good case for a HOFer" level. Problem was he spent his entire prime on the Philles from 98 to 05 and the Phillies fucking sucked in that run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 And every OF looks like a HOFer now that Harold Baines is in 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 While liking Abreu for the most part, this is one of those cases where the eye test and my memory of watching a player triumphs over the number crunching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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