Raziel Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 I mean, by pure Artistic Merits, the answer is clear. Do the HUSTLE. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Raziel said: I mean, by pure Artistic Merits, the answer is clear. Do the HUSTLE. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSJ Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Seriously, there is some really good discourse about the theoretical #2. If we count the NWA as a single entity (and we shouldn't since the "A" means "alliance", which by definition means more than one). We're left with looking at longevity but that longevity is limited to a single region, artistic merits which we can belabor to death and it all comes down to personal taste. Trying to find the middle ground is an interesting dilemma, as far as I'm concerned, artistiucally, you have to go quite some distance to be better than current NJPW, but I recall it wasn't all that long ago when Tanahashi and Lyger were pretty much the only bright spots amid an otherwise lackluster product. AJPW pretty much ruled it for over a decade, so I think AxB may well be right in his estimation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSJ Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Casey said: Okay, Takada as M. Bison is pretty hard to argue with. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 God bless HUSTLE's nonsensical gimmicks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChesterCopperpot Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 Owens had surgery? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 1 hour ago, ChesterCopperpot said: Owens had surgery? Yeah, it's why they did that angle with Lashley. He's out for possibly 4 to 8 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zakk_Sabbath Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 I'm glad Owens will get a little time off to come back fresh. As great as his stuff with Elias has been, I'd really like to see him go to SD and work with AJ, Bryan, Joe, Miz etc. but who knows what the landscape will even look like eight months from now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SorceressKnight Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 19 hours ago, OSJ said: Seriously, there is some really good discourse about the theoretical #2. If we count the NWA as a single entity (and we shouldn't since the "A" means "alliance", which by definition means more than one). We're left with looking at longevity but that longevity is limited to a single region, artistic merits which we can belabor to death and it all comes down to personal taste. Trying to find the middle ground is an interesting dilemma, as far as I'm concerned, artistiucally, you have to go quite some distance to be better than current NJPW, but I recall it wasn't all that long ago when Tanahashi and Lyger were pretty much the only bright spots amid an otherwise lackluster product. AJPW pretty much ruled it for over a decade, so I think AxB may well be right in his estimation. But that also ties to the big question that really makes the discussion big: What's more important: Peak or Longevity? Artistic merits is down to personal taste, but really "how big was their peak" and "how long did they last" seem to be the best ones to determine it. Longevity wise, you just can't beat CMLL. Peak-wise, it's hard to beat WCW. And if you go in the middle- New Japan and hell, even TNA are suddenly in the discussion (TNA had spent many years as a joke, but "16 years of longevity" and "at their peak in 2005-10, they had a major national TV deal on Spike TV, had video games, had merchandising, were able to get major WWE stars to leave WWE for them pretty regularly, and generally came the closest since the WWE monopoly to making WWE break a sweat".) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattdangerously Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 Did anyone besides Christian willingly leave the WWE for TNA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 Tomko? But you also have to factor in that the elite level indie guys at the time (Joe and AJ) chose TNA over WWE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimo Necro Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 14 minutes ago, mattdangerously said: Did anyone besides Christian willingly leave the WWE for TNA? Austin Aries... sort of... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kang Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 Tna only really made some money from 2007 to 2009 as Dixie said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Cincinnati Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 2 hours ago, Zakk_Sabbath said: I'm glad Owens will get a little time off to come back fresh. As great as his stuff with Elias has been, I'd really like to see him go to SD and work with AJ, Bryan, Joe, Miz etc. but who knows what the landscape will even look like eight months from now I never ever want to see AJ vs Owens again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph2112 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 20 minutes ago, D.Z said: Tna only really made some money from 2007 to 2009 as Dixie said. IIRC Dave and the like said the only year TNA ever made a small profit was 2009. Then they brought in Bischoff/Hogan etc to quickly kill that off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Green Meanie Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 1 hour ago, mattdangerously said: Did anyone besides Christian willingly leave the WWE for TNA? R-Truth? Shamrock? Kennedy? RVD? (a couple of times) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattdangerously Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 Kennedy didn't willingly leave the WWE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSmUgly Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 I think that WoS is the loveliest, most aesthetically pleasing form of wrestling. The best workers of that style know how to make rolling through a counter to an armbar look like magic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 The old WoS, from the 70s, yeah. Not so much this year's version. It was a ten week season, and I've watched six so far. I think everyone else on the board no-sold it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Edwin Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 34 minutes ago, Smelly McUgly said: I think that WoS is the loveliest, most aesthetically pleasing form of wrestling. The best workers of that style know how to make rolling through a counter to an armbar look like magic. Agreed. Johnny Saint is easily my favorite from that era. He gets a lot of slack because a lot of his matches look like exhibitions, but his technique the dude has a legit Catch background and pulls off some beautiful techniques and transitions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSmUgly Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 11 minutes ago, AxB said: The old WoS, from the 70s, yeah. Not so much this year's version. It was a ten week season, and I've watched six so far. I think everyone else on the board no-sold it. I haven't really watched much new WoS, but yeah, I should have clarified that I'm talking about '70s WoS, which I actually think is my favorite thing about wrestling aside from '70s and '80s Portland and '80s NWA. And '97 Bret Hart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go2Sleep Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 3 hours ago, mattdangerously said: Did anyone besides Christian willingly leave the WWE for TNA? Booker T, and I'd say Kurt Angle counts too even though there were some push and pull factors at play there. But TNA being in this conversation is a joke, since they are worse head to head with Crockett/WCW by every metric imaginable. I'd rank ROH above TNA in terms of significance to American wrestling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimo Necro Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 58 minutes ago, AxB said: The old WoS, from the 70s, yeah. Not so much this year's version. It was a ten week season, and I've watched six so far. I think everyone else on the board no-sold it. I got 2 weeks in, there’s only so much Grado a man can take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 I asked in one of the TNA threads but didn't get an answer: what exactly is Grado's gimmick? Is he supposed to be a Scottish bro that doesn't understand he's a tubby ugly guy or something? I honestly haven't watched enough to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 1 hour ago, AxB said: The old WoS, from the 70s, yeah. Not so much this year's version. It was a ten week season, and I've watched six so far. I think everyone else on the board no-sold it. I was supposed to have a Scottish pal on to discuss it, but it was so blah, Inever got around to watching them yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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