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Wonder Woman is quite easily the best "DCEU" movie.   Man of Steel is 2nd. The action sequences alone are top level stuff.   Batman/Superman is 3rd though I personally will only watch the Director's Cut and there's some issues with it.  

Justice League and Suicide Squad are both trash.   Suicide Squad has a couple things that I do like such as Margot Robbie and Will Smith playing Will Smith which I'll always be okay with.   I also like Viola Davis. She was a good Waller.  

Justice League has no redeeming qualities at all.  It's not even a movie.  It's stuff thrown indiscriminately at the screen.  I know most here will blame Snyder but that's not even the issue,  I'm way beyond arguing over whether someone likes Snyder's Superman or his "style".  If Snyder finished the movie,  you'd hate it so that's fine,  no point in arguing what "would" have happened.  

I want to discuss what did happen.  There's Snyder shit in here and the Snyder shit is painted over by Whedon and post.  If you are going to have Snyder's action sequences then you need to leave them alone.  Whedon can't shoot action well and he certainly can't do it in a way that is complimentary to Snyder. 

Then you have Whedon changing over half of the script. These characters are acting completely different than what they were (or are in other scenes).  So if you want to make a Whedon style Avengers Age of Ultron Lite then fucking do it. Scrap everything and have him make it.  I won't like it probably but maybe some people will and maybe the movie will at least make sense and be far less jarring.  

The Wonder Woman ass shots?  Yes, that's Whedon too.  Patty Jenkins confirmed that. Thank you for trying to undo what Wonder Woman accomplished. Is she a hero? Is she inspiring? No, she's ass and boobs.  That's Whedon.  

What happened was they made a movie that nobody wanted to see.  The Snyder fans,  the Whedon fans, the DC fans,  the general audience..  nobody liked it and nobody wanted it and the box office showed as much.  

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21 minutes ago, Brian Fowler said:

I don't think it was particularly good.

Just fucking better than the other not Wonder Woman movies. Again, very low bar.

Nah it wasn't even a movie. Just stuff.  Man of Steel for instance more critics gave it a positive review than negative, Cinemascore was higher,  audiences liked it more. JL was lower in all 3. 

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1 minute ago, Brian Fowler said:

I'm talking my own personal opinion. I'll watch Justice League three times before I rewatch MoS or BvS.

No argument,  I don't see myself revisiting most of these anytime soon.  I bought the Infinity War steel book and The Dark Knight box set recently as well as Black Panther and Wonder Woman,  I'm good. 

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If I had to choose between rewatching either Man Of Steel or Justice League, which would be torture , I'd choose JL. It's a giant piece of shit that explodes a lot and makes no sense, but I'd rather watch that than mopey Superman and Pa Kent being a total asshole. 

And why did they show him as a toddler wearing a red towel as a cape pretending to be Superman? That makes no fucking sense, unless the plan was to spin off a Superbaby prequel. 

I'd watch that. I have more than a few old Superboy comics.

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Man of Steel was alright, if you're not that discerning about movies. Not a good film, but a pretty good Bad Film. Justice League was a shit bad movie.

I did like that they cast a then- 58 year old to play someone who died when he was 46, though. Never change, Hollywood.

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https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/films/1036472/Wonder-Woman-1984-RESHOOTS-include-FLASHPOINT-and-REMOVE-major-these-DC-stars

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Wonder Woman 1984 RESHOOTS include FLASHPOINT DC reboot to REMOVE these major stars?

THE WONDER WOMAN 1984 release date has been pushed back seven months and a shock report says it is so Warner Bros can rewrite the ending to include a Flashpoint-style timeline change which will reboot the entire DCEU and allow new storylines and new stars.

PUBLISHED: 13:43, Fri, Oct 26, 2018 | UPDATED: 13:43, Fri, Oct 26, 2018

Wonder Woman had seemed to be by far the most stable and successful DCEU property so the huge delay in release was a massive surprise.

With WB completely restructuring the entire DC machinery after Zack Snyder's exit and certain leading stars looking increasingly likely to leave, observers have been wondering whether the studio will seek to somehow reboot the entire universe and even recast some of the central characters.

It's not just Marvel who might be playing with timelines, it seems.

A major new report claims the WW 1984 ending will be retooled to incorporate major changes for the entire DC Extended Universe. This would enable WB to replace stars like Ben Affleck, Henry Cavill and even Jared Leto by erasing much of Zack Snyder's original DCEU.

Grace Randolph at Beyond The Trailer dropped the news and clarified that the rewrites would take the concept of the iconic Flash storyline (a rewriting of the timeline) but obviously not the specifics of Barry Allen and his mother.

Instead Wonder Woman will save a different character and thereby change the future.

She said: "Significant reshoots are coming. I am hearing that the movie is going to be reworked and become Wonder Woman 1984: Flashpoint. I don’t know if its going to be called that - but that’s essentially what it is. Which means the upcoming Flash movie is just a regular Flash movie.”

The Youtube pundit reports that since the Flash standalone has been pushed back to 2021 and WB are in a hurry to reboot the DCEU, Wonder Woman was the only movie that fits the timeframe. Conveniently, the Wonder Woman movie ia also already set in the past.

The Flashpoint storyline had been planned for the first standalone Flash movie. Comicbook fans already know that Geoff John's series explores an alternate timeline where Barry changes the timeline and a young Bruce Wayne is killed in the attack outside the theatre and his parents survive.Thomas becomes Batman while Martha turns in The Joker.

Randolph says Diana Prince will also make the massive change to the past (and so the present) for love: “Diana, like all of us, isn’t willing to let Steve go a second time, saves him and therefore alters the timeline."

Randolph stresses the Wonder Woman reboot is not Flashpoint and will not include the specific details of that series. Instead it gives WB teh perfect opportunity to try and restart the entire DC franchise and cherry ppick what they want to keep and discard.

She added: "Such a story would allow major changes in the DCEU without having to recast everyone - although I hear it is almost everyone." 

Randolph also claims that Ezra Miller's ongoing commitments to the Fantastic Beasts franchise have precipitated some of these changes, including teh Flash movie being pushed back into 2012.

If WB had decided to use that movie to reboot the DCEU they were suddenly faced with having to wait another year to do so and so their focus shifted to the Wonder Woman sequel, instead.

Randolph also suggests that Jason Momoa should hope his standalone Aquaman film performs well or he, too, may find himself rebooted and recast. Likewise Zachary Levi and his Shazam debut.

With Ben Affleck and Henry Cavill's futures in the DCEU still unclear, wiping away Zack Snyder's DC universe is, no doubt, attractive to many executives at Warner Bros.

Randolph points out that the comicbooks already have storylines where Diana saves Steve, and even where he himself become immortal.

Steve Trevor also crosses into the Suicide Squad stories to assist Amande Waller with the misfit team, which could work nicely in the upcoming Suicide Squad reboot under James Gunn.

If any of this does, indeed, come into play it will certainly shake up a troubled franchise that has not quite managed to find its feet yet.

 

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Man of Steel was bad because Superman was a brooding dipshit. 

I still give him a bit of a pass as it was his first crisis and he really didn't know what kind of hero he wanted to be.  Everyone has to start someplace.

If Cavill got anything right while playing grey morality Kal-El, it was his ability to combine cynicism with complete naiveté.  He was refreshingly clueless for a guy with such an apparently low opinion of the people he was supposed to protect.

It was interesting to see how MoS was the total antithesis of Superman II.  MoS was total disaster porn and people (rightfully so) branded Supes a threat since he didn't seem to mind tearing down half the city in the process of defeating Zod... whom he then murdered.

Meanwhile in Superman II, Superman sees that his fight with Zod and Co is destroying Metropolis and bystanders are being injured by the score, so he leaves the fight in the hopes of drawing the villains AWAY from the city and the people... which works perfectly.

And what happens next?  The completely moronic and ungrateful citizens of Metropolis mistake compassion and strategy for weakness and assumed that Superman (of all people) was showing cowardice by his egress back to the Fortress of Solitude.. 

HE'S TRYING TO KEEP YOU ASSHOLES OUT OF HARMS WAY, DUMMIES~!  BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT SUPERMAN DOES, IDIOTS~!  HE PROTECTS PEOPLE~!  THAT'S WHY HE IS THE BEST OF US~!

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9 minutes ago, J.T. said:

Man of Steel was bad because Superman was a brooding dipshit. 

I still give him a bit of a pass as it was his first crisis and he really didn't know what kind of hero he wanted to be.  Everyone has to start someplace.

If Cavill got anything right while playing grey morality Kal-El, it was his ability to combine cynicism with complete naiveté.  He was refreshingly clueless for a guy with such an apparently low opinion of the people he was supposed to protect.

That bit made me chuckle out loud. Cheers mate!

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On ‎10‎/‎25‎/‎2018 at 8:40 PM, Brian Fowler said:

I'm talking my own personal opinion. I'll watch Justice League three times before I rewatch MoS or BvS.

I still watch the Superman flying parts of MoS with wide eyed amazement and there is always the cuteness of MAJ Carol Ferris but other than that, anything in MoS without Zod, Lois Lane, or Faora in it is nigh unbearable..

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I still really like Man of Steel and thought it was a logical starting point for a new franchise. He should be unsure of himself. Why would someone who is an alien immediately know how to do everything the right way? The stuff about Metropolis is overblown because it's pointed out in the movie that the city evacuated, but I do agree with unrest over all of the property damage. 

Anyway, that should have been the jumping off point for the Superman we all know and love. You see that at the very end. There should have been a sequel story where he learns from all of his mistakes and learns that despite having godlike powers that it can hurt those he loves even if he's trying to help them. 

But instead we got BvS and any foundation built in MoS is torn to shreds where nothing is learned and THAT'S where we really get the brooding dumbass Superman. Instead of BvS, it should have been a straight up MoS sequel where you see Superman do everything to prove his worth including shit like saving a cat from a tree. And then if you want to do BvS where Batman still doesn't trust Superman, fine, great. Because at least then the public already feels uneasy with Batman being a vigilante, him not trusting someone they now trust would just be another log on the fire. 

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On 11/5/2018 at 10:36 AM, Craig H said:

I still really like Man of Steel and thought it was a logical starting point for a new franchise. He should be unsure of himself. Why would someone who is an alien immediately know how to do everything the right way? The stuff about Metropolis is overblown because it's pointed out in the movie that the city evacuated, but I do agree with unrest over all of the property damage. 

Anyway, that should have been the jumping off point for the Superman we all know and love. You see that at the very end. There should have been a sequel story where he learns from all of his mistakes and learns that despite having godlike powers that it can hurt those he loves even if he's trying to help them. 

But instead we got BvS and any foundation built in MoS is torn to shreds where nothing is learned and THAT'S where we really get the brooding dumbass Superman. Instead of BvS, it should have been a straight up MoS sequel where you see Superman do everything to prove his worth including shit like saving a cat from a tree. And then if you want to do BvS where Batman still doesn't trust Superman, fine, great. Because at least then the public already feels uneasy with Batman being a vigilante, him not trusting someone they now trust would just be another log on the fire. 

It didn't look evacuated at all. Going by Batman v Superman it definitely wasn't evacuated. 

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