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18 minutes ago, Serious Darius Bagfelt said:

Is Loma even going to do the fight though.  Arum is already making noise to have him go back down in weight.  

Yeah, I don't see that happening especially with Gervonta Davis moving up to 135. Besides, who in house has a big enough name to justify going back to 130? Berchelt is a good name, but does that fight make Lomachenko a bigger star? Herring isn't a star to anyone who isn't a military veteran. I like Farmer, but the reason he can't even headline a DAZN card is his fights aren't entertaining to watch. Lightweight at least has the added emphasis of being a legendary division.

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Why wouldn't Eddie Hearn make the fight.  Is Devin Haney going to be a bigger star if he fights contenders that no one knows? 

Speaking of Gervonta, I didn't think Gervonta would be where he is selling out Royal Farms Arena fighting Ricardo Nunez but he did somehow. The thing here is Haney is a contender no one knows. The solution isn't for him to be a title challenger as a contender no one knows. He just graduated from ShoBox three months ago fighting in some shitty Louisiana casino and still fighting ShoBox level opposition. Is he a bigger star...shit he isn't a star now. The whole reason he signed with Matchroom Boxing USA is to be on the level of a guy being promoted by someone who has the resources to build his brand. Losing to Lomachenko now when absolutely no one knows him and he doesn't have the name to get a half decent purse makes him an also ran. Also rans usually stay also rans who never get paid anything. I really like Jaron Ennis, but if he signs with a big name promoter after figuring out his current situation, he shouldn't be fighting Terence Crawford or Errol Spence after two or three fights. That's fucking stupid.

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I am in the group that believes he is better off getting in with Loma and trying his best 

I don't think that group actually exists nor do people want to see that.

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5 hours ago, Elsalvajeloco said:

Yeah, I don't see that happening especially with Gervonta Davis moving up to 135. Besides, who in house has a big enough name to justify going back to 130? Berchelt is a good name, but does that fight make Lomachenko a bigger star? Herring isn't a star to anyone who isn't a military veteran. I like Farmer, but the reason he can't even headline a DAZN card is his fights aren't entertaining to watch. Lightweight at least has the added emphasis of being a legendary division.

Speaking of Gervonta, I didn't think Gervonta would be where he is selling out Royal Farms Arena fighting Ricardo Nunez but he did somehow. The thing here is Haney is a contender no one knows. The solution isn't for him to be a title challenger as a contender no one knows. He just graduated from ShoBox three months ago fighting in some shitty Louisiana casino and still fighting ShoBox level opposition. Is he a bigger star...shit he isn't a star now. The whole reason he signed with Matchroom Boxing USA is to be on the level of a guy being promoted by someone who has the resources to build his brand. Losing to Lomachenko now when absolutely no one knows him and he doesn't have the name to get a half decent purse makes him an also ran. Also rans usually stay also rans who never get paid anything. I really like Jaron Ennis, but if he signs with a big name promoter after figuring out his current situation, he shouldn't be fighting Terence Crawford or Errol Spence after two or three fights. That's fucking stupid.

I don't think that group actually exists nor do people want to see that.

Really is it any fucking stupider than grabbing an interim belt and fighting Eastern Europeans that no one knows until he moves up to 140 grabs a belt where he will fight some more Eastern Europeans, the odd Mexican and maybe a random guy from the UK (not like a fight with a Regis Prograis or Jose Ramirez would happen).  Then go up to 147 after all the names have moved on or have fallen to also ran status and grab a belt.  Then it will be look at Mr. 3 division champ who has fought guys no one outside hardcores have heard of.  I'm sure people in 1982 thought it was stupid that Azumah Nelson after 14 fights took on Salvador Sanchez in a title fight on short notice. He lost but did well and learned a fuck of a lot more than fighting a gang of random fading contenders or palookas.  If Davis is moving up he would be a great fight for Haney but it will likely never happen.  Davis will get a regular WBA belt and be content fighting 130 pound guys.  I will make sure to miss future Devin Haney fights against the Robert Easter's and Rances Barthelemy's of the world.

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1 hour ago, Serious Darius Bagfelt said:

Really is it any fucking stupider than grabbing an interim belt and fighting Eastern Europeans that no one knows until he moves up to 140 grabs a belt where he will fight some more Eastern Europeans, the odd Mexican and maybe a random guy from the UK (not like a fight with a Regis Prograis or Jose Ramirez would happen).  

I dunno why a fight with Prograis considering Prograis isn't even with a major promoter right now and that's with him fighting in the World Boxing Super Series. Ramirez just fought on DAZN and it's like it took years for the Hooker fight to get made. However, Ramirez may be at 147 sooner than later because Arum doesn't have many in house options for Crawford who people know (see below).

1 hour ago, Serious Darius Bagfelt said:

Then go up to 147 after all the names have moved on or have fallen to also ran status and grab a belt.  Then it will be look at Mr. 3 division champ who has fought guys no one outside hardcores have heard of.  

Yeah, I don't see him going up to 147 anytime soon unless it's severe weight issue considering Hearn doesn't have any of the titles there. I mean Jessie Vargas is on DAZN now, and he got pushed to JMW and he's nowhere near a JMW. Haymon has welterweight owned lock, stock, and barrel besides Crawford. Crawford has to fight Mean Machine and it's not by choice.

1 hour ago, Serious Darius Bagfelt said:

I'm sure people in 1982 thought it was stupid that Azumah Nelson after 14 fights took on Salvador Sanchez in a title fight on short notice. He lost but did well and learned a fuck of a lot more than fighting a gang of random fading contenders or palookas.

Everybody ain't Azumah Nelson. If they were, Azumah Nelson wouldn't mean anything. Also, that's almost 40 years ago. How many guys took a step up years before they should have and we never heard from again? That numbers far exceeds the dozen or so guys who recovered from that. The point of having a promoter is to fight the right guys at the right times. Not everyone is objectively terrible or bad enough to the point where you have to fight Vasiliy Lomachenko just for shits and giggles. That's idiotic.

1 hour ago, Serious Darius Bagfelt said:

 If Davis is moving up he would be a great fight for Haney but it will likely never happen.  Davis will get a regular WBA belt and be content fighting 130 pound guys.  I will make sure to miss future Devin Haney fights against the Robert Easter's and Rances Barthelemy's of the world.

Haney can fight Mikey Garcia if Garcia signs with Hearn. Haney can fight Ryan Garcia. Ryan Garcia has a fanbase to the point where he is in a dispute with GB now because he isn't being compensated for the fanbase he brings in. He can fight Emmanuel Tagoe, who's now a DiBella guy and would be an exciting and interesting style matchup. He can fight Lee Selby if he beats Ricky Burns. If Commey beats Teofimo Lopez, the "best" prospect in boxing, he can fight Haney because I can see Hearn making an offer to Commey to face Haney instead of Lomachenko who by then would be probably forced into another mandatory situation by then. None of those guys are faded contenders. If Haney beat all of those guys, you would have to be out of your skull to think Haney would just still be a guy. All of those guys who bigger names than the two people he would have fought since signing with Matchroom Boxing USA.

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15 minutes ago, AA484 said:

I thought Lomachenko and Commey was supposed to be a thing at one point?

Commey broke his hand in the fight where he won the IBF belt and the fight went to Anthony Crolla because Hearn advocated WBA to enforce Crolla's spot as Lomachenko's mandatory. Now that Commey is IBF champion, Top Rank made it a priority to get Teofimo Lopez in an IBF title eliminator which he won against Masayoshi Nakatani. Lomachenko went for the WBC lightweight belt Mikey Garcia vacated and beat Luke Campbell a couple weeks ago, which gives him three of the four lightweight belts. Lomachenko is expected to fight the Commey-Lopez winner for the undisputed crown, but he could fight George Kambosos Jr. or someone else in the interim.

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This is the current boxing slate for the rest of 2019 (including tonight):

9/14: Top Rank Boxing: Fury vs. Wallin (ESPN+); Golden Boy Boxing: Munguia vs. Allotey (DAZN)
9/20: ShoBox: Dutchover vs. Mattice (Showtime)
9/21: Premier Boxing Champions: Quillin vs. Angulo (FS1)
9/27: Queensberry Promotions Presents: Dubois vs. Tetteh (ESPN+/BT Sport)
9/28: Premier Boxing Champions: Spence vs. Porter (Fox PPV)
10/5: Matchroom Boxing USA: Golovkin vs. Derevyanchenko (DAZN); Showtime Boxing Special Edition: Shields vs. Habazin (Showtime)
10/12: Queensberry Promotions Presents: Warrington vs. Takoucht (ESPN+/BT Sport); Matchroom Boxing USA: Usyk vs. Spong (DAZN)
10/18: Top Rank Boxing: Gvozdyk vs. Beterbiev (ESPN)
10/26: World Boxing Super Series: Prograis vs. Taylor (DAZN/SKY Box Office); Top Boxing Boxing: Stevenson vs. Gonzalez (ESPN+); Premier Boxing Champions: Easter Jr. vs. Granados (Showtime)
11/2: Canelo vs. Kovalev (DAZN); Top Rank Boxing: Berchelt vs. Sosa (ESPN+)
11/7: World Boxing Super Series: Inoue vs. Donaire (DAZN)
11/9: Matchroom Boxing USA (DAZN); Top Rank Boxing: Herring vs. Roach Jr. (ESPN+)
11/23: Golden Boy Boxing: Cancio vs. Alvarado (DAZN)
12/7: Ruiz Jr. vs. Joshua II (DAZN)
12/14: World Boxing Super Series: Briedis vs. Dorticos (DAZN); Top Rank Boxing: Crawford vs. Kavaliauskas (ESPN); Matchroom Boxing USA: Jacobs vs. Chavez Jr. (DAZN)

TBD: Premier Boxing Champions: Wilder vs. Ortiz II; Premier Boxing Champions: Hurd vs. TBA (Fox); Premier Boxing Champions: Charlo vs. Hogan; Showtime Championship Boxing: Davis vs. Gamboa (Showtime); Top Rank Boxing: Frampton vs. Dogboe

I'll update this accordingly.
 

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This is like watching a chickenshit heel cut all of the corners to stay in the fight. Wallin has done so many borderline and outright illegal shit in this fight... it's kind of awesome even though he's got nothing left and is getting dominated now.

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Had to watch that Gatti finish after they brought it up. That 6, 3, 4 has to be one of the nastiest combo KOs ever and that was after a ridiculous amount of punishment in just two rounds including several prior knockdowns.

Gamache spent a week recovering in hospital.

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2 minutes ago, Oyaji said:

Had to watch that Gatti finish after they brought it up. That 6, 3, 4 has to be one of the nastiest combo KOs ever and that was after a ridiculous amount of punishment in just two rounds including several prior knockdowns.

Based on the weight hijinks in the lead up to that fight, Gamache should have never been in the ring with Arturo Gatti.

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I just did the exact same thing. That fight really should have been stopped in the first.

I'm the most casual of casual boxing fans but holy crap have I ever been enjoying the HW division over the past couple of years. I know there are probably better fights going on in other divisions but HW boxing is always going to have that special allure and it's completely drawn me back into following that division in the sport.

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20 minutes ago, AA484 said:

How do they even sanction that?

AIBA made the decision to allow pros to compete at the 2016 Summer games in Rio. I mean there were a few pros that competed on short notice (the change happened two months before the Olympics were set to begin), but none of them were exactly top tier boxers in the pro ranks so they didn't really do much in the Olympics. Jalolov is a bit different in that he's an actual pro heavyweight prospect (9-3 if you count the WSB fights) who already competed in the Olympics in 2016 losing in the quarterfinals to the eventual super heavyweight silver medalist and current heavyweight prospect himself, Joe Joyce. It's a bit weird because he's not only fighting at the AIBA World Championships currently but apparently never stopped competing in the amateur ranks at all. He's in the same management stable as guys like Sergey Kumzin (who just lost to Michael Hunter on the Haney card last week) and Dmitry Bivol. I guess the hope is to qualify for the Olympics in Tokyo, win a medal, and then make a more serious run in the pros this time next year. If he is putting someone out cold like that, it's hard to imagine at least the first two things not happening.

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