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Whoops, I was only thinking of LOD 2000, which would make more sense as it's WWE canon. Matter of fact I forgot all about the Georgia LOD. 

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33 minutes ago, Technico Support said:

I also think there needs to be a minimum number of members for a faction/stable/whatever.  Three people is not a faction.

I think that number is fine, but I don't really want to debate that. What I do want to bring up or at least ask is why is it that most WWE factions top out at 3 dudes? In nearly every other promotion, NXT included, you see factions with 4+ members, but WWE looks like they like to cap that at 3. Evolution seems like the last time there was a real four person group. The Wyatt Family (ignoring the short period of time Braun was with them), the Shield, the New Day, main roster Sanity, Legacy, and hell, even the newer version of Evolution had just 3 members. 

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4 hours ago, Infinit said:

Given that explanation, the Dangerous Alliance is definitely a faction.

And thus their omission is still making me angry  :lol: 

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DDP was on today's Joe Rogan Experience 

 

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17 hours ago, Niners Fan in CT said:

WWE is always terrible with lists and revisionist history.  But this is the worst I've seen.  Holy shit is this terrible :lol: 

 

 

Ok what dumbass intern made that list?

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52 minutes ago, Black Angel said:

Ok what dumbass intern made that list?

Aurora Rose

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Im watching clips of Piper shoot interviews and he claims that Snuka's loss to Morocco was a political hit to put Hogan over him. It also seems like he might've saw David Schultz as a threat to him being to top heel, which is a shame if thats the case. They couldve done more with Dr D but he claims Hulk didnt want to business with him. I'm so fascinated with Pre and Post Wrestlemania I era WWF it seems like it was very competitive as far as guys wanting to keep their spots or get the top spot of which ever side of Face or Heel you were on. Probably was most competitive the New York territory ever was or will ever be Honestly.

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19 hours ago, Niners Fan in CT said:

WWE is always terrible with lists and revisionist history.  But this is the worst I've seen.  Holy shit is this terrible :lol: 

 

 

 

 

One of HHH's interns.  Note how he puts himself on the list twice (DX and Evolution) with his guys (shield) at the top and a current NXT faction at number 10.  Is Punk in the Nexus photo?

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hey wasn't there a thread for current indie matches that are on youtube? I could have sworn there was one but I can't find it.

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1 hour ago, evilwaldo said:

Is Punk in the Nexus photo?

No, that picture was taken from a very early stage of the original Nexus (you can tell because Tarver is there.) Young and Shefield got clipped out of the pic for some reason.

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I'll +1 the idea that a stable are guys that are managed by the same manager, but have no interaction beyond that (Heenan Family would team up at Survivor Series, and maybe the Patera beatdown, but beyond that, minimal, and you could probably argue Jimmy Hart's guys were probably a better example of this), whilst a faction are guys that actively team together, accompany each other to ringside, promo together etc.

 

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33 minutes ago, The Green Meanie said:

No, that picture was taken from a very early stage of the original Nexus (you can tell because Tarver is there.) Young and Shefield got clipped out of the pic for some reason.

I'm guessing around the time Skip broke his leg, and Darren got fired from Nexus for not beating Cena.

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24 minutes ago, RolandTHTG said:

I'm guessing around the time Skip broke his leg, and Darren got fired from Nexus for not beating Cena.

Yup. I had thought I remembered that Tarver was the first one to go, but I looked it up and actually Shefield was.

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1 hour ago, RolandTHTG said:

I'll +1 the idea that a stable are guys that are managed by the same manager, but have no interaction beyond that (Heenan Family would team up at Survivor Series, and maybe the Patera beatdown, but beyond that, minimal, and you could probably argue Jimmy Hart's guys were probably a better example of this), whilst a faction are guys that actively team together, accompany each other to ringside, promo together etc.

 

Yeah, that'd basically be similar for it.

The big question isn't "do they have a manager?" or "do they have common ground", but rather:

"Pick any two people in the group, no matter how different they are.

If they were booked in a tag team match against someone, would you instantly buy them as a TAG TEAM , or would you see them as just two people thrown together?"

If you'd buy them as a tag team, then it's a faction. If they'd still be two people thrown together, it's a stable. 
 

...of course, that opens up the question "What needs to be in place before you consider two wrestlers a true tag team?", but that's besides the point. 

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2/3rds would have to be my favorite.

Oh sorry, thought you were talking about FRACTIONS. My bad!

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To me, if I had to draw a distinction, it's "is this group about the guys, or the manager?"

The Four Horsemen is clearly, just by name, about the wrestlers not JJ.

The Heenan Family is all about Bobby Heenan.

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I do think you have to call the Heenan Family a faction because from memory it did go beyond Survivor Series.  I mean during the whole King Kong Bundy feud wasn't the Family teaming up in random tags and didn't Bundy sneak attack Hogan on a SNME?  Plus,  I believe they were teaming against Andre and attacking him in the mid 80s before Andre eventually joined the family.  Also,  I was very young at the time but I remember Andre and Rude teaming in various scenarios. And there were backstage celebrations too. 

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6 hours ago, Ziggy said:

Im watching clips of Piper shoot interviews and he claims that Snuka's loss to Morocco was a political hit to put Hogan over him. It also seems like he might've saw David Schultz as a threat to him being to top heel, which is a shame if thats the case. They couldve done more with Dr D but he claims Hulk didnt want to business with him. I'm so fascinated with Pre and Post Wrestlemania I era WWF it seems like it was very competitive as far as guys wanting to keep their spots or get the top spot of which ever side of Face or Heel you were on. Probably was most competitive the New York territory ever was or will ever be Honestly.

That's strange, I always heard Hogan and Schultz were tight from their Memphis and AWA days

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1 hour ago, CreativeControl said:

That's strange, I always heard Hogan and Schultz were tight from their Memphis and AWA days

The latest episode of Wrestlecrap Radio has Schultz on there. Among some of the (many) hilarious stories he clearly explains his distaste for Hogan. However the man he seems to hate the most overall is Vince.

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As if WrestleCrap is still going. What a toxic smarky website/forum that was back in the early 00s

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