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12 minutes ago, Edwin said:

Sasha does stink. She should quit. But it shouldn't be because of airport creeps. It should be the traditional route: years of rejection and failure until she's spit out the bottom of the porn industry.

If she ever did a porn you'd be the first one in line, you nasty little man.

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2 hours ago, FlaeBlazer said:

There isn’t a decent alternative for women’s wrestlers like there are for men. 

I don’t see Sasha leaving solely because the gap in the money she could make would simply be too much. There just isn’t a market for female wrestlers on the indies and Japan like there is for male wrestlers. 

This is kind of my point.

She has been in the NXT/WWE system for a while and is only 26yo. She has a super famous cousin and been treated like a star all the way up until about 18 months ago. Now all the reports indicate that she gets all pouty and upset about her treatment because she isnt THE focus of the WWE womens division.

She should go out into the indy scene and see how well she gets booked then.

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I see both sides of the argument.  Some celebrities are dicks, some put up with it and some are cool.  My rule of thumb is if they are with family or appear busy, don’t bother them.  They are people too, and deserve down time and quality time just like everyone else.  My daughter had a meet and greet with Maroon 5 last week before their concert and she was told “ Adam isn’t feeling it tonight, so no cell phones, no pics.  He doesn’t want to be touched and doesn’t want to be told your life story.  Say hi, we’ll take a picture and then you leave.”  Needless to say, she was a bit disappointed. 

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Just now, L_W_P said:

This is kind of my point.

She has been in the NXT/WWE system for a while and is only 26yo. She has a super famous cousin and been treated like a star all the way up until about 18 months ago. Now all the reports indicate that she gets all pouty and upset about her treatment because she isnt THE focus of the WWE womens division.

She should go out into the indy scene and see how well she gets booked then.

Why is it classified as "pouty".. Male wrestlers are just as pissed about their positioning and let it be know too.

If Sasha feels she is the best and she very well might be why shouldn't she voice her opinion? Why shouldn't she want more than what they have done with her?

She's a competitor, that's how you are supposed to think.

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12 minutes ago, Niners Fan in CT said:

Yes but that's not going to be good for anyone. There are some here like @Victator who truly believe it. 

How dare that woman not take a picture with me after I stalked her flight times? Give me a break.

Pardon me?

Can you point to where I wrote that? 

 

 

1 hour ago, Victator said:

Which if they did not to take the pic, then don't take it. If they did not want to say "You're welcome", then just don't reply. Doing that is a terrible way to treat a person.

 

2 hours ago, Victator said:

I don't care about refusing pics or whatever. But going out of your way to humiliate someone is uncalled for. 

I would appreciate an apology. But we both know that is not going to happen. 

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11 minutes ago, L_W_P said:

This is kind of my point.

She has been in the NXT/WWE system for a while and is only 26yo. She has a super famous cousin and been treated like a star all the way up until about 18 months ago. Now all the reports indicate that she gets all pouty and upset about her treatment because she isnt THE focus of the WWE womens division.

She should go out into the indy scene and see how well she gets booked then.

Given the fact that Emma gets bookings and a ROH contract and the fact that Sasha is much better known, I think Sasha will do pretty well for herself.

 

Let's be honest, the WWE women's division is not booked on talent.  Far from it.  The booking revolves around name and television shows first, talent a distant second.

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33 minutes ago, Niners Fan in CT said:

You can look at the IG discovery page and I see Sasha show up there quite a bit with fans and she is all smiles and hugs. You take a few incidents and blow it up and forget about the thousands of positive fan interactions she has had. That's why this whole conversation sucks, you are being very selective and ignoring everything else. 

It was a crappy thing to do to someone. Which I did not even know there was a second time.  Being nice to kids proves she is not a monster, so that is nice to know. 




 

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If wrestling can feature racists, abusers, murderers, and a host of other variously petty, cruel, backstabbing people over the decades, I don’t think I can find it in my heart to fault Sasha for thinking she’s a good wrestler, and sometimes being rude. I watched a Kensuke Sasaki match last night—this is all kinda scummy.

That said, she’s in a good—if not exactly top—spot. She’s made a lot of money, will make a lot more, and is another good 5-10 years from WWE writing her into their history as one of the best women’s wrestlers ever. But the company also says everyone should want more, always, and not be afraid to step on toes. So.

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14 minutes ago, Victator said:

I would appreciate an apology. But we both know that is not going to happen. 

Apologize for what a joke? You haven't addressed one valid point but this is what your focus is? Don't try to play victim, get in the conversation, this is what you wanted. :lol:

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58 minutes ago, Victator said:

There is a creep in that picture and it isn't dude in the hat. 

She's half the man she used to be.

...or perhaps Radiohead's "Creep" works better

But I'm a creep, I'm a weirdo,
What the hell am I doing here?
I don't belong here.
I don't belong here.

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7 minutes ago, Victator said:

It was a crappy thing to do to someone. Which I did not even know there was a second time.  Being nice to kids proves she is not a monster, so that is nice to know. 




 

So making fun of an airport creeper is a sin? That makes her a monster? When do adults start to take accountability?

He was in the wrong, so if he got made fun for it, that's on him..

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6 minutes ago, Niners Fan in CT said:

So making fun of an airport creeper is a sin? That makes her a monster? When do adults start to take accountability?

He was in the wrong, so if he got made fun for it, that's on him..

I do think putting him on blast on Twitter was a little too far. She could’ve just told him no instead of taking the picture and shitting on him afterwards. That seems rather two-faced. He had to delete his account because of the pile-on and harassment from other fans. Sasha is my favorite but I think that was unnecessary.

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38 minutes ago, Niners Fan in CT said:

Why is it classified as "pouty".. Male wrestlers are just as pissed about their positioning and let it be know too.

If Sasha feels she is the best and she very well might be why shouldn't she voice her opinion? Why shouldn't she want more than what they have done with her?

She's a competitor, that's how you are supposed to think.

And I would tell them the same thing; "You dont like the booking? Go to NJPW or ROH or PWG or fucking WCPW if that's what it takes for you to be happy."

This attitude of wanting to be the best is great but when even casual fans notice the bullshit look on your face as soon as you walk through the curtain then maybe you need to be somewhere else?

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2 minutes ago, FlaeBlazer said:

I do think putting him on blast on Twitter was a little too far. She could’ve just told him no instead of taking the picture and shitting on him afterwards. That seems rather two-faced. He had to delete his account because of the pile-on and harassment from other fans. Sasha is my favorite but I think that was unnecessary.

Or she could have just simply no sold him on Twitter.

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47 minutes ago, OSJ said:

If she ever did a porn you'd be the first one in line, you nasty little man.

Oh.

Bodybagged/dead/burried!

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42 minutes ago, Niners Fan in CT said:

Apologize for what a joke? You haven't addressed one valid point but this is what your focus is? Don't try to play victim, get in the conversation, this is what you wanted. :lol:

You were not joking. Come on don't be disingenuous. 

Your points were

A. Sasha has 120 pound woman privilege and is entitled to abuse people.

B. That going to an airport to meet a celebrity is an unforgivable sin. 

C. That she is nice to kids and that should excuse humiliating a few people. 

Now if I am wrong on that being your argument, please tell me. 

Now to answer what I believe your "valid" points are. 


A. I disagree as she was in no danger. Especially after the fact and he was THANKING her and Rollins. 

B. Its misguided and I would not do that. They are guilty of poor judgment, but nothing malicious. 

C. I don't think those good deeds erase being shitty to someone. But I am glad she is nice to kids. 

I also brought up Seth Rollins, because he did the same thing and is just as shitty for it. 

 

37 minutes ago, Niners Fan in CT said:

So making fun of an airport creeper is a sin? That makes her a monster? When do adults start to take accountability?

He was in the wrong, so if he got made fun for it, that's on him..

No I said she was not a monster. She is at least able to be nice to children. She is a dickhead though and clearly in the wrong. She (and Seth Rollins) had a degree of power over someone and chose to abuse it. That is a shitty thing to do. If the worst thing in their life is a misguided person wanting their picture. Then I envy them. 

Now lets look at this from a common sense standpoint. 

The guy sent her and Rollins tweets with pictures of them together. Now that stands to reason the interactions went relatively well. Now you can say she was afraid and maybe so. Her expression came across as not afraid. Rollins does not have that excuse. 

Again he was tweeting them to thank them and they do that. That is a shitty thing to do to someone. Even if he did go to an airport to meet a celebrity. 

I find when people talk about accountability, it is almost always to excuse shitty behavior. 

That does not change my opinion of either as wrestlers. I don't choose entertainment because somebody is a nice person. 

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8 minutes ago, Victator said:

I feel bad for Jerry. Surely that kid heard the F word before that. 

Right? His pops had to have fucked up a batch of frozen yogurt once in a while. 

 

(In a box because nobody cares...)

Speaking of, it just dawned on me, although Seinfeld ignored continuity sometimes (the limo Nazi/Poppie’s niece, George and Jerry’s ex later being a waitress, Sid Farkes’ boss later being George’s peach pit girlfriend), they never mentioned the bit from “The Parking Space” when Jerry tells the kid is dad is losing the store. It’s the same kid and same mom.

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1 hour ago, L_W_P said:

And I would tell them the same thing; "You dont like the booking? Go to NJPW or ROH or PWG or fucking WCPW if that's what it takes for you to be happy."

This attitude of wanting to be the best is great but when even casual fans notice the bullshit look on your face as soon as you walk through the curtain then maybe you need to be somewhere else?

Hold on a second here.   Put yourself in Sasha's shoes for a second.  I don't know what kind of industry you work in but lets say you've been at a job and you are really good at what you do.  You work your ass off and everyone knows that you are one of the best in the building.  But then you are passed over for a promotion by someone who knows the President of the company.  You'd say "damn,  that wasn't fair" but you'd understand because shit,  that's life.  That happens all the time.  So you continue to work towards that promotion but now you are passed over by someone who clearly isn't even in your league.  Now you really start wondering "motherfucker,  when am I going to get some credit around here?"  

So you might have a couple options.  Maybe you stay quiet and still hope to get recognition.  Maybe you voice your displeasure or start campaigning harder.  Or maybe you leave the company altogether.  You have some options.  

Sasha Banks does not work in an industry with viable options.  Even if you are shit on at work,  you're probably not going to leave a $20+/hr job for a $10/hr job.  That's not financially possible. You have a family.   There is no other place for Sasha to go.  So all she can do is work very hard,  which she does,  she works extremely hard at her job and the only other thing she can do is campaign for a better spot. Maybe not you specifically but definitely other people are calling that a "bad attitude".   I don't believe it's a bad attitude at all,  it's being competitive and it's also try to get what you deserve. She deserves the promotion more than pretty much anyone else around and everyone knows that she is one of the best female performers they've ever had,  it's not a secret.  So no,  I do not fault her at all.  

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