Peck Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 1 hour ago, paintedbynumbers said: you are talking about the wrong person in this pic. Katie is really good, She had a great cage match with Lufisto and took a beating. I think she will be a big star. Just like with DJ Z and Elias I am glad to say I saw her first match. She has come a long way Yeah I saw her at that Rise taping in Pittsburgh. She definitely wasn’t bad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSJ Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 1 hour ago, paintedbynumbers said: you are talking about the wrong person in this pic. Katie is really good, She had a great cage match with Lufisto and took a beating. I think she will be a big star. Just like with DJ Z and Elias I am glad to say I saw her first match. She has come a long way Cool! Let me poke around on ye olde youtube and see what I can find. Truth be told, both ladies look to be rather formidable. Always nice to watch someone's career develop. Still recall fondly seeing Dustin Rhodes' first televised match... So, so old... I've always felt a bit badly for Lufisto, she was literally ten years ahead of the curve in women's wrestling in North America. Can you imagine the career she'd be having if she was 28 now as opposed to 38? Steph will continue to take all the credit for the "revolution", but the fact is that without Lufisto we'd still be stuck in the era of shrieking and hair-pulling and VKM's favorite, the bra & panties matches. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eivion Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 37 minutes ago, OSJ said: I've always felt a bit badly for Lufisto, she was literally ten years ahead of the curve in women's wrestling in North America. Can you imagine the career she'd be having if she was 28 now as opposed to 38? Steph will continue to take all the credit for the "revolution", but the fact is that without Lufisto we'd still be stuck in the era of shrieking and hair-pulling and VKM's favorite, the bra & panties matches. How did you come to this reasoning? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianS81177 Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 Is Katie Arquette related to David? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 I think the WWE pushing women's wrestling is Stephanie wanting to cement her legacy. Almost everything in WWE is because of her father and a small group of talent. There is not much she can do in the company to effect positive change. But if she can make women's wrestling respected and viable within WWE, that would be her legacy. That is why she manufactures so many moments and makes sure she is part of it. Which is not a bad thing, though it has typical WWE changing of history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eivion Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 WWE's pushing of women has to do with HHH and a pushback from the fandom several years ago after the Horsewomen showed their capabilities in NXT. Steph is pushed as the face behind the movement because she is a woman and one of the people who will be running the company when Vince passes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 Stephanie is not some Stepford wife Hunter pulls out of storage for appearances. She is the one in control after Vince for better or worse. I can't imagine a lot of the decisions on the main roster are ideas Hunter would push. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eivion Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 I don't believe I said she was or that the main roster ideas are things HHH would push. I said the reason why the division is being pushed in the first place and why Steph is put at the forefront during all of the big announcements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Guy Eddie Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 Did anyone else watch Joey Janela's Lost in New York? I watched it last night and won't be able to get "Teenage Dirtbag" out of my head for a while. I kind of had forgotten how enjoyable Nate Webb was in the early 2000s. Unfortunately, Webb got pigeonholed as a garbage wrestler when he actually was capable of a lot more. The same happened to Necro Butcher, and I know some don't believe it, Necro actually could wrestle. This video is a fun trip back in time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydneybrown Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 On 8/24/2018 at 10:23 PM, PetrolCB said: ...fucks sake...Rochester!? Swear to God, I'm flying there this week. What's about to happen to me? And no, I'm not flying there for RAW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Edwin Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Nice Guy Eddie said: The same happened to Necro Butcher, and I know some don't believe it, Necro actually could wrestle. Necro was great. Mid 2000's Necro got a ton of love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetrolCB Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 3 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said: Did anyone else watch Joey Janela's Lost in New York? I watched it last night and won't be able to get "Teenage Dirtbag" out of my head for a while. I kind of had forgotten how enjoyable Nate Webb was in the early 2000s. Unfortunately, Webb got pigeonholed as a garbage wrestler when he actually was capable of a lot more. (Spoiled because it’s a stupid anecdote.) Nothing to do with Janela here, I just felt like posting this. A friend of mine was/is a huge Webb fan. My best memory of this was CZW’s Cage of Death #whatever in ‘04. Webb is doing his walk around the ECW Arena for his entrance, he passes my friend and I on the camera side, and he stops Nate, takes out a cig and goes “Let’s go to flavor country!”. Gives him a cig, lights it, and Nate puffs and parades on. I’ll never buy the dvd, but I wish the match or at least that was on YouTube somewhere. I’ve never seen it. Another funny thing from that was the “fans bring the weapons” stip for the main event. I brought two; a cymbal that I covered with Gorilla Glue and laced with salt and long thumbtacks. Because why not? The other was a shitty acoustic guitar I covered in tacks, that ended up being used by Nick Gage, or at least attempted to be. He’s fighting with someone on top of the cage, and grabs my guitar. “Holy shit! He’s using it!”, I say. He rears back and the fucking thing breaks like Elias’ guitar at The SummerSlam. So he ended up just whacking him with the body instead. Good times. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Guy Eddie Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 1 minute ago, PetrolCB said: Hide contents (Spoiled because it’s a stupid anecdote.) Nothing to do with Janela here, I just felt like posting this. A friend of mine was/is a huge Webb fan. My best memory of this was CZW’s Cage of Death #whatever in ‘04. Webb is doing his walk around the ECW Arena for his entrance, he passes my friend and I on the camera side, and he stops Nate, takes out a cig and goes “Let’s go to flavor country!”. Gives him a cig, lights it, and Nate puffs and parades on. I’ll never buy the dvd, but I wish the match or at least that was on YouTube somewhere. I’ve never seen it. Another funny thing from that was the “fans being the weapons” stip for the main event. I brought two; a cymbal that I covered with Gorilla Glue and laced with salt and long thumbtacks. Because why not? The other was a shitty acoustic guitar I covered in tacks, that ended up being used by Nick Gage, or at least attempted to be. He’s fighting with someone on top of the cage, and grabs my guitar. “Holy shit! He’s using it!”, I say. He rears back and the fucking thing breaks like Elias’ guitar at The SummerSlam. So he ended up just whacking him with the body instead. Good times. There is nothing stupid about that anecdote. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Lord Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 2 hours ago, Edwin said: Necro was great. Mid 2000's Necro got a ton of love. It's just a shame after "The Wrestler" came out, Necro never got a big shot on national television. I mean no way WWE would have taken him, but TNA could have easily signed him. Necro vs. Abyss could have been a fun little feud and we could have gotten Necro/Joe again. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dewar Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 Anyone who does not vote for LA Park as Wrestler of the Year in 2018 is a terrible human being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zakk_Sabbath Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 On 8/24/2018 at 2:46 PM, Nice Guy Eddie said: Of course the booking seems fine when you've smoked yourself retarded. One would think, but not always the case. No wonder it feels like Raw is 14 hours long 12 hours ago, sydneybrown said: Swear to God, I'm flying there this week. What's about to happen to me? And no, I'm not flying there for RAW. There's a Sasha joke here but im staying far away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSJ Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 13 hours ago, Eivion said: How did you come to this reasoning? Thought I explained the reasoning within the original post itself. Quite simply, I think LuFisto was ten years ahead of the curve in NA when it came to actually WRESTLING. I'm not saying that without her you have no revolution in women's wrestling in NA, but I don't think that she gets all the credit she deserves for demonstrating on a consistent basis that solid, ass-kicking matches were not limited to joshi. Certainly she wasn't the only woman in NA capable of putting on a hard-hitting match, but she was a game-changer in a number of areas, perhaps most importantly showing that it was perfectly okay to not look like one of VKM's model types and furthermore, that a 140 lbs. woman relying on superior speed and agility could indeed work an effective match with a much larger male opponent. I'm not going to say that her matches with Kevin Steen and Necro Butcher are ***** affairs, they obviously aren't, but they ARE much, much better than one would initially anticipate. She's obviously on the downside of her career now and considering her injuries and other health issues it really is a testament to her work ethic that she's still at it (albeit having lost a step or two), but like I said, she really came along ten years too early. She's had some dreadful health problems including cancer and a stroke, but can definitely still go. Considering how far women's wrestling has come in NA over the last ten years can you imagine how much she'd be in demand today if she were 28 as opposed to 38? I'm sure not saying that 38 is over the hill, but with the aforementioned health issues and the general wear and tear from over two decades in the ring I'm afraid that 38 is likely far closer to retirement than it to another decade in the ring. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MORELOCK Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 The Women's Revolution is a result of WWE giving the fans what they want, for once. They, of course, will not receive any credit here for that. Mostly because of the ham-fisted, self-congratulatory way they handle it. And I guess because they aren't pushing the "right" women. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eivion Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 41 minutes ago, OSJ said: Thought I explained the reasoning within the original post itself. Quite simply, I think LuFisto was ten years ahead of the curve in NA when it came to actually WRESTLING. I'm not saying that without her you have no revolution in women's wrestling in NA, but I don't think that she gets all the credit she deserves for demonstrating on a consistent basis that solid, ass-kicking matches were not limited to joshi. Certainly she wasn't the only woman in NA capable of putting on a hard-hitting match, but she was a game-changer in a number of areas, perhaps most importantly showing that it was perfectly okay to not look like one of VKM's model types and furthermore, that a 140 lbs. woman relying on superior speed and agility could indeed work an effective match with a much larger male opponent. I'm not going to say that her matches with Kevin Steen and Necro Butcher are ***** affairs, they obviously aren't, but they ARE much, much better than one would initially anticipate. Weren't a decent amount of the known Indy women from then working matches with men? There wasn't exactly a worthwhile women's promotion for them until Shimmer started. A lot of those women weren't model types. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivpvideos Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 Ronda Rousey proving that women can draw on a large level in UFC was a huge part of the Women’s revolution being a thing. i like Lufisto as much as the next person, but c’mon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 Liv Morgan debuted 4 months before that RAW episode in July where 3/4's of the NXT Horsewomen debuted. Stephanie saw what raw talent Liv had and decided to speed up the women's revolution on the main roster so Liv could really shine when she eventually debuted. I mean, after all, she is a white female with blonde hair. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 TNA's Knockouts division was really good for quite awhile as well 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eivion Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 Yeah, that is kind of my point. I like what I've seen of LuFisto, but pushing her as a trailblazer ahead of her time when there were so many other women who were also getting talked up and noticed for their talent around the time she became a thing feels off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 Cheerleader Melissa feels like the most essential person for her two roles, no? edit: I totally meant Del Ray. Was replying on the go. Maripisa's cool and all though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raziel Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 It's cute we're talking about LuFisto's place when no one's talked about Sara yet, or Allison Danger, or basically anyone that was on SHIMMER 1. Basically, no wrestling fans in the US gave a serious shit about Women's wrestling until SHIMMER started and TNA presented a Women's Division on National TV as a serious thing and not just underwear matches with 1 or 2 actual workers carrying people on their back. You could also probably throw a bone to CHIKARA for booking women equally to men as well. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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