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Not to go all "death of the author", but if most of your audience hears a certain story, it doesn't much matter what you (think you) told them. It's like a joke, that way: if you have to explain it ex post facto, it didn't work.

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5 hours ago, CreativeControl said:

I was wondering about the whole authority figure thing recently. It's just a lazy way to make matches, and a hard spot for them to get out of due to the audience being conditioned into always having an authority figure.

Hell, I've been watching wrestling since 91 and can't remember how feuds and matches happened without some mouthpiece saying so

Since Austin vs Vince was the biggest money making angle of all time, it will never go away and every Fed will lean on it.

 

28 minutes ago, Technico Support said:

I'd say just tell the guy you don't sign autographs in airports.  Or sign it and  move on.  If you tell the guy you don't sign autographs at airports and he talks shit on Twitter, by all means unleash the hounds.  But signing the autograph, then talking shit and causing stan backlash after the guy Tweets you to say thanks is absolutely the worst approach.  It's so petty and passive aggressive.  And, as I mentioned, harmful.

If she has a rep as a bit of an asshole, things like this might be why.

Fandoms are literally the worst in the last few years.  Sites like Reddit have given power to idiots who force their opinions on others just by spending a little money to buy bots who will back up their opinion.

The problem with people in airports, restaurants, etc is entitlement.  They think they are entitled to walk up to a person at any time and demand anything and if you don't agree you are a complete asshole.

16 minutes ago, Dolfan in NYC said:

IN OTHER NEWS...

Road Dogg seems to think the Becky heel turn is going just fine, why do you ask?

 

Like I said last night, she is working the marks just fine.

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59 minutes ago, OSJ said:

Having been once "greeted" by a fan at a convention at 7AM with a box of books for signing

That was me. Your books are huge in Bolivia and I made a killing selling them on eBay! Thanks ?

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Just now, sabremike said:

That was me. Your books are huge in Bolivia and I made a killing selling them on eBay! Thanks ?

eBay works in Bolivia?

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The best move would have been politely but firmly refusing the guy's request, then being a bit more aggressive about it should they be persistent.  Just because someone is a public figure doesn't give their fans the right to their time and attention 24/7.  The twitter shaming does seem a little overboard, but on the other hand I wonder if it might have been an example they were trying to set to other people who had the same stalkery habits, essentially saying "we don't appreciate it when you fans do this, so knock it off".

As far as Sasha getting a raw deal on the main roster goes, she's held the title four times despite being out with injuries on several occasions (and we've seen what a detriment getting a reputation as being injury prone can do to one's opportunities).  Considering there are only two women's titles on the main roster and that the women get a fraction of the time the men do she's been prominently featured plenty.  Sure she's been in some stinkers of storylines, but nowhere near as bad as some other people.

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38 minutes ago, HumanChessgame said:

As far as Sasha getting a raw deal on the main roster goes, she's held the title four times despite being out with injuries on several occasions (and we've seen what a detriment getting a reputation as being injury prone can do to one's opportunities). 

The injury prone tag for Sasha is weird, considering she's been one of the main roster's workhorses for the last few years: Tenth most matches on the roster in 2017, most women's matches since 2015 (I added 2018 Cagematch data to the linked tweet, which compiles through 2017), etc. It feels like she's just had bad timing when she does get hurt, because the reputation for frailty doesn't mesh with reality at all.

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She has only been injured twice. Once was when a ref made some sort of mistake and she was kicked and the other was a back injury that they thought would need time to heal but she was fine in a week. So really, she's been fine.

As for the social media ragging, Sasha has endured much more online bashing than that fan ever did. Everything from the way she looks to her hairline etc. Has been memed and she's been attacked relentlessly over those couple autograph situations. You should try reading the comments people leave her sometime.

So no I don't feel bad for the guy at all. Get thicker skin or get off social media because it's a cesspool and Sasha receives the bad parts every single day. All the wrestlers do.

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I know there's all this talk about Sasha and airport stalkers, but I just can't help but share how wild it is that there's a wrestling fan running the Wendy's Twitter account.

I might end up going there this weekend just because of these tweets.

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Is the consensus that the Steiner Math promo is actually an all-time great promo, or do people just laugh at it because of the crazy math?

 

Delusional heel Steiner doing crazy math to boast about how great he is seems legit all-time amazing, like the type of slightly unhinged promo that stands up there with the best of them. 

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2 minutes ago, Smelly McUgly said:

Is the consensus that the Steiner Math promo is actually an all-time great promo, or do people just laugh at it because of the crazy math?

 

Delusional heel Steiner doing crazy math to boast about how great he is seems legit all-time amazing, like the type of slightly unhinged promo that stands up there with the best of them. 

I swear that I saw a video or a post where someone who is adapt at math broke that promo down and explained it in a way where the math made perfect sense.

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16 minutes ago, Smelly McUgly said:

Is the consensus that the Steiner Math promo is actually an all-time great promo, or do people just laugh at it because of the crazy math?

 

Delusional heel Steiner doing crazy math to boast about how great he is seems legit all-time amazing, like the type of slightly unhinged promo that stands up there with the best of them. 

That's pretty much my reason for loving it so damn much.  The guy's out of his mind and him saying stuff like this with Petey trying to follow along is legendary in my eyes.  If somebody did make sense of that then they should deserve some kind of prize or something.

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2 hours ago, evilwaldo said:

Since Austin vs Vince was the biggest money making angle of all time, it will never go away and every Fed will lean on it.

 

 

I will defend it to my death that in the long term, Austin/McMahon was one of the worst things ever to happen to wrestling. That, and the nWo. I would have been perfectly happy with wrestling never getting as big as it did, but remaining a niche product with a loyal audience.

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33 minutes ago, NikoBaltimore said:

That's pretty much my reason for loving it so damn much.  The guy's out of his mind and him saying stuff like this with Petey trying to follow along is legendary in my eyes.  If somebody did make sense of that then they should deserve some kind of prize or something.

Oh yeah, it definitely is funny, but if I recall correctly, at first people generally laughed at it because it was coked-up Scott Steiner saying dumb shit on a low-rent TNA PPV. The reaction seemed mocking to me.

However, in 2018, I feel like maybe that consensus has changed to "all-time great promo by a very good promo man," which is no less than that promo deserves because it is so good. 

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WWF might have most likely died without the attitude era. (Very sure their financials was bad) But WCW probably might have been spared of pure Russso. ECW probably might have tapped into the zeitgeist of the times (market) even more so without the WWF around.

Anyway the current wrestling industry is already a niche market. 

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6 minutes ago, Smelly McUgly said:

Oh yeah, it definitely is funny, but if I recall correctly, at first people generally laughed at it because it was coked-up Scott Steiner saying dumb shit on a low-rent TNA PPV. The reaction seemed mocking to me.

However, in 2018, I feel like maybe that consensus has changed to "all-time great promo by a very good promo man," which is no less than that promo deserves because it is so good. 

I wouldn't say it's a good promo in the traditional sense.  But if you're looking through that lens then it was something that crazy-ass Scott Steiner would say on TV and that is uniquely him.    Sometimes to me the nonsensical makes sense if that's what he was portraying on TV.   But I never mocked him for it for that reason and as wacky as it is it sure is memorable.

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