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9 minutes ago, JonnyLaw said:

I wish we could get Regal doing his GM bit on Raw or Smackdown.

We both know he will get Hornswoggle as assistant within four weeks leading to 'hilarious' skits of him chasing the little guy or Nicholas and Hornswoggle conspiring against Regal (since they are both "kids"). 

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I was wondering about the whole authority figure thing recently. It's just a lazy way to make matches, and a hard spot for them to get out of due to the audience being conditioned into always having an authority figure.

Hell, I've been watching wrestling since 91 and can't remember how feuds and matches happened without some mouthpiece saying so

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14 hours ago, AxB said:

I don't remember who it was, but I saw someone in a shoot interview saying Prince Devitt went to WWE because he'd already done his art-work, and now it's time to do his money-work. Sasha's trying to make art in a place that is not conducive to artistry.

It's a nice sentiment, but Banks thinks she's Van Gogh while she's really Thomas Kinkade. 

8 hours ago, Victator said:

If she or Rollins say no to a picture or autograph, that is their prerogative. My issue was them humiliating someone after the fact when the person was thanking them. In no world is that cool. 

This.  You don't sick your thirsty legion of mark-ass stans on a guy because you didn't like how he went about getting an autograph. 

Don't get me wrong.  Everyone involved was an asshole, but there's a reason real actual stars hire someone else to do their social media.  Bullying a fan, no matter how shitty that fan is, is really awful.

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1 hour ago, ReiseReise said:

We both know he will get Hornswoggle as assistant within four weeks leading to 'hilarious' skits of him chasing the little guy or Nicholas and Hornswoggle conspiring against Regal (since they are both "kids"). 

You act like that wouldn't be hilarious. Regal spun gold out of an angle where Jericho pissed in his tea.

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34 minutes ago, mattdangerously said:

You act like that wouldn't be hilarious. Regal spun gold out of an angle where Jericho pissed in his tea.

Oh, Regal and Swoggle would be amazing. The Nicholas stuff would suck, though. And it would be vastly different from NXT Commish Regal, which was my main point. 

My favourite Regal moment will forever remain the "kiss cam" with Zack Ryder. 

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9 hours ago, Niners Fan in CT said:

It doesn't though according to social media.  Sasha is the one in the locker room who is friends with everyone.  Naomi, Nattie, Bayley, Tamina, New Day, Dana, Titus, Seth, AJ, Apollo, Tozawa, Sheamus, Dash, Dawson, Liv Morgan, Kalisto...   she is friends with all of these people, her and Mikaze's house is a chill spot. 

Alexa is one where you don't see her chillin with many people. This idea that Sasha is a locker room troublemaker isn't true.   It's literally only Alexa she has an issue with. 

I didn't say she was a troublemaker. Stop insisting that we're raking Sasha across the coals here or that Alexa is friendless. Alexa just played Fortnite with Xavier, Ember, and Tyler Breeze. She's on good terms with Braun and likely hangs out with Buddy Murphy's friends.

No one has branded Sasha unworthy of fans or career advancement. But there's no denying having issues with a fellow top star may potentially create prickly moments in both directions. However, Sasha is the one saying she doesn't want to work with Alexa.

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Wait, I'm a little fuzzy with what the issue is with the airport creeper guy, or rather, I'm fuzzy on people defending him. He got made fun of because he is a creeper. He habitually shows up at the airport for the sole purpose of getting these pictures. He has no actual business being at the airport except to beg for photographs. That's fucking creepy. They're human beings, leave them alone. Is your life so pathetic that you have to constantly plan out your day to know when and where to show up to express that you're a fan and ask for a photo? 

If the guy did this once or twice, I would say that everyone involved in mocking him is an asshole. This isn't that though.

More importantly, multiple people in this thread will take a big steamy shit all over Green Lantern Fan and even people who sit in the front row at every PPV for doing less than what the airport creeper guy did, but when it's the wrestlers taking a shit on someone who is exhibiting questionable behavior, that's too far? What kind of twisted moral authority is that? Green Lantern Fan has been shit on for years for basically doing something similar to what the airport guy is doing and he was shit on well before he started showing up at wrestler's funerals.

The other amusing part to this is that, at least in Victator's case, there's a whole double standard here. It wasn't even two weeks ago he mocked the guy who did the voice work and mocap work for Jar Jar Binks for wanting to kill himself because of how he was treated online all for just being Jar Jar Binks. Multiple people had to point out that he did want to kill himself specifically because of that reason. So in that case, dude show grow a thicker skin and shouldn't let people push him to want to end his life, but in the case of the airport guy it's vitriol and outrage over the response he got online.

It's fine if you want to take that stand, but I guess I don't understand where the line is for some of you and why it's dismissed in some instances and in others it receives a stronger response. Is it because it's different forms of entertainment and one receives more love than the other?

Finally, I see a whole lot of people saying Sasha and anyone else should just suck it up and know what the business entails, but how about just being a normal human being and go on with your life? My friend, a huge wrestling fan, was on the el with one with of his favorite wrestlers about a couple years ago. He just nodded towards the guy and the wrestler did the same. They just happened to be in the same place at the same time. Maybe if it looks like someone isn't busy and again you're both coincidentally in the same place at the same time you say, hey, I'm a big fan of your work and I appreciate what you do. Maybe you even ask for a picture, but they don't have an obligation to take that picture and more importantly, as a decent person, you should be smart enough to recognize if that's stepping over some kind of a line and if you get that sense, move on. It's not worth it. If you like that celebrity enough to ask for something from them then also like them enough to recognize if they're uncomfortable and drop it. And yeah, some wrestlers are way better than others with interacting with fans. Good for them. I think that's great. Not EVERYONE has to be like that though and I don't understand where some people get off thinking that because Wrestler A takes pictures with everyone then Wrestler B should also be the same.

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18 minutes ago, Burgundy LaRue said:

I didn't say she was a troublemaker. Stop insisting that we're raking Sasha across the coals here or that Alexa is friendless. Alexa just played Fortnite with Xavier, Ember, and Tyler Breeze. 

It is my honest sentiment that TRUE friends should stop each other from playing Fortnite. I really can't get into that game. Other than that I fully agree with your thoughts on the situation, so best ignore my attempt at being funny... 

39 minutes ago, West Newbury Bad Boy said:

In fairness to the concept of heel authority figures, lots of legit sports have people who make vindictive, petty, or arbitrary decrees to steer the action. In baseball, they're called umpires. 

That’s a pretty good point. I would actually agree that a corrupt, power hungry... Well let's say a Sepp Blatter... has a strong base in reality. I think the troubling part is when the Authority opens the show, gets multiple segments over the night AND is part of the main event. The act is way too cold to be omnipresent like that. 

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If properly used, authority figures can make pro wrestling feel more like actual sports. Top-tier stars having problems with such figures is realistic, too. Drake Maverick gets it right on 205 Live.

They'd probably do better if they presented Triple H and Steph for who they really are: the future owners of WWE. That way, if they have a bias toward or against someone, they can they're trying to put forward the best product that makes them the most money.

Money is missing in wrestling these days. WWE is signing billion-dollar contracts, yet no one has went in and asked for a raise? Heck, just have a wrestler ask for more matches because more TV time means more money. Everyone should be going after Roman if for no other reason, a match with the Universal champion comes with a bonus. Make money important again.

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On 8/23/2018 at 3:08 AM, Niners Fan in CT said:

So today I was forced to donate to the Susan G. Komen fund. I'll explain and I'm not against Susan G. Komen,  I've just heard some sketchy things about the organization.  I'm going to a RAW in Providence.  Most of the best tickets available had a $15.00 basically donation fee tied into the face value. So if I wanted good seats,  gotta throw some towards Susan G.  

Niners buddy - I think you got hosed or maybe selected the wrong ticket type. There's a $15 difference for something described as a "WWE Supports Susan G Komen 3D Collector Ticket" 

Same seats - different prices

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1 hour ago, West Newbury Bad Boy said:

In fairness to the concept of heel authority figures, lots of legit sports have people who make vindictive, petty, or arbitrary decrees to steer the action. In baseball, they're called umpires. 

No, sir. In baseball they are called "owners".

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49 minutes ago, Craig H said:

More importantly, multiple people in this thread will take a big steamy shit all over Green Lantern Fan and even people who sit in the front row at every PPV for doing less than what the airport creeper guy did, but when it's the wrestlers taking a shit on someone who is exhibiting questionable behavior, that's too far?

I'm the guy who took Vic to task over the Jar Jar Binks thing.  I guess I'm just anti Internet backlash beatdown bus bullshit in most cases.  Yes, the airport guy is a shitty person and a creeper, but what if he killed himself after thousands of Beyhive-like Sasha fans came after the guy?  Would that be a deserved end for him?  That's my reasoning behind it.  I don't think it's right that a public figure can direct the full power of a legion of online lunatics to go after a private citizen unless they really deserve it.  "This guy made me uncomfortable at the airport" doesn't qualify, in my book.

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Having been once "greeted" by a fan at a convention at 7AM with a box of books for signing, I'm probably not the most objective person when it comes to creepy behavior... Suffice it to say, left to my own devices at a SF or Horror Con, I don't know what 7AM looks like, nor am I very interested in finding out. Anyway, the reason that this goombah showed up at my door (having bullshitted the hotel staff into giving out the room #), instead of at the autograph signing the night before (where I cheerfully shot the shit with folks and signed for over two hours), was quite simply, he felt like having dinner then so he skipped the event that was set up especially for folks like himself that wanted a bunch of stuff signed. To say that I was less than sympathetic to his cause would be somewhat of an understatement. 

That someone can be readily identified as an "airport creeper" really tells you all that you need to know about the person. 

BTW: Taking a dump on GLF is just common sense. I'd forgotten what a contemptible piece of crap he is.

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17 minutes ago, Technico Support said:

I'm the guy who took Vic to task over the Jar Jar Binks thing.  I guess I'm just anti Internet backlash beatdown bus bullshit in most cases.  Yes, the airport guy is a shitty person and a creeper, but what if he killed himself after thousands of Beyhive-like Sasha fans came after the guy?  Would that be a deserved end for him?  That's my reasoning behind it.  I don't think it's right that a public figure can direct the full power of a legion of online lunatics to go after a private citizen unless they really deserve it.  "This guy made me uncomfortable at the airport" doesn't qualify, in my book.

Ok, yes, that's fair and I agree with that. I wouldn't want this guy taking his own life either or being driven to that by a bunch of people online. So then the better response to that, if you know who that is, is to just deny them, right? And if you don't know who that person is until you look at their profile after they post a picture with you, then what? Instead of piling on to make fun of him you make a statement saying "I looked at your profile and I don't condone the practice of stalking celebrities?" 

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Craigory I was angry at you at first, but now I really do believe you have legit issues with reading comprehension. That you think I thought I was making fun of that man really points to that. That or you're a liar, I could believe either. I said I was doubtful that a film role getting backlash was the sole reason he contemplated suicide. Which if you want to actually speak to mentally ill people who have been suicidal, you will find it is never just one thing. But I would guess you are too self centered to ever think of other people. If you did you could not comprehend what is being said. 

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14 minutes ago, Craig H said:

Ok, yes, that's fair and I agree with that. I wouldn't want this guy taking his own life either or being driven to that by a bunch of people online. So then the better response to that, if you know who that is, is to just deny them, right? And if you don't know who that person is until you look at their profile after they post a picture with you, then what? Instead of piling on to make fun of him you make a statement saying "I looked at your profile and I don't condone the practice of stalking celebrities?" 

I'd say just tell the guy you don't sign autographs in airports.  Or sign it and  move on.  If you tell the guy you don't sign autographs at airports and he talks shit on Twitter, by all means unleash the hounds.  But signing the autograph, then talking shit and causing stan backlash after the guy Tweets you to say thanks is absolutely the worst approach.  It's so petty and passive aggressive.  And, as I mentioned, harmful.

If she has a rep as a bit of an asshole, things like this might be why.

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Someone else pretty respectfully pointed out to him that Becky had to go on a several week long winning streak to get the non-title match with Carmela, while Charlotte was handed it, and he kinda acknowledged it was true.

So apparently, yes, they think the story they told is that Becky and Charlotte were both given the exact same opportunity, and Becky got jealous that Charlotte made more out of it. 

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