JUNE 2018 WRESTLING DISCUSSION

[Dolfan in NYC]

PW Sheet on why Cass was fired: 

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Pro Wrestling Sheet has learned Big Cass doesn’t seem to have been fired for one certain reason, instead it was a mix of multiple things — the most noteworthy happening on WWE’s European tour.

As we first reported, Cass went against a directive from Vince McMahon last month during a segment involving a little person. We’re told this is when things began to go south for him.

According to Sports Illustrated, Big Cass was apparently drinking during the European tour which took place a week later and allegedly had “attitude issues.” They also claim “being intoxicated in public” is one of the underlying reasons for his firing.

Multiple sources tell us one of the incidents which rubbed people the wrong way happened in private, however, on the WWE bus chauffeuring talent.

We’re told the bathroom lock was apparently broken, but Cass didn’t realize it and thought he was being pranked. After being stuck inside for too long, a claustrophobic/angry Cass broke down the door. This meant people had to embarrassingly use the bathroom afterward with no door.

This, obviously, made some of the riders on the bus unhappy. It’s worth noting that some understood his frustration though and weren’t as angry as others.

Both of these incidents in such short time — coupled with 1-2 minor unverified incidents that we’re working to confirm with additional sources — seem to have been the final straw.

“WWE has come to terms on the release of William Morrissey (Big Cass),” the company announced on Tuesday. As you might’ve noticed, the wrestler was not wished well in his future endeavors.

The 30-year-old last wrestled at Money in the Bank in a losing effort against Daniel Bryan.

So the TL;DR his 3 strikes were:

1) Getting physical with a little person after being specifically told not to.

2) Being an obnoxious drunk in public during the Euro tour

3) Breaking down a bathroom door on a bus during the Euro tour. 

[CSC]

Big Ass being fired for breaking down a bathroom door is wonderfully poetic. 

[odessasteps]

Not quite the Plane Ride from Hell.

[nofuture]

The Bus Ride from Heck?

[Tromatagon]

I think we are missing important details here.

Like was it #1 or #2?

Like if he just left a gigantic loaf in there that wouldn't flush AND broke the door down or something

[Super Weak Machine]

He didn't leave a gigantic loaf in there, that's why he broke the door down, so he could get out.

[Victator]

7 hours ago, Rhett Cohen said:

*Stone Cold, the midcardiest of midcarders in Memphis and WCW

That is not true at all. Austin was near the top of the card his time in Memphis and a lot of his time in WCW. I know it was suppose to sound cute for your argument, but it kills you out of the gate. 

[Spritenaut 32]

I don't doubt that those incidents - if true - had a lot to do with Cass' firing.  But let's face it....  a lot of guys have done that or worse and still have jobs.   Hell, guys of a lot less use to the company than Cass have gotten away with worse and kept their jobs.  Remember the story about Sin Cara being kicked off the bus?

Cass' biggest issue was being a middling performer who the company decided wasn't worth any hassles.  If he had carried the Daniel Bryan feud on the mic or impressed people in the matches the two had, he'd probably still have a job.

Besides, we still have those cringeworthy "Big guy in a suit makes fun of little people who aren't really little" promos to remember him by.  Those are so bad, we'll still be making snide comments about them 10 years from now.

 

 

[Nice Guy Eddie]

2 hours ago, nofuture said:

The Bus Ride from Heck?

The Bus Ride that turned to Shit

[Captain Kronos]

That's just it: They'll overlook some stuff if you're a good worker. 

But if you suck in front of the cameras, then all that attitude and junk behind the scenes gets multiplied in its negative effect. 

[Nice Guy Eddie]

12 minutes ago, Player One said:

Besides, we still have those cringeworthy "Big guy in a suit makes fun of little people who aren't really little" promos to remember him by.  Those are so bad, we'll still be making snide comments about them 10 years from now.

 

 

If Cass decides to leave wrestling behind him, I hope he'll at least wear a properly fitting suit on job interviews.

[RIPPA]

 

[Captain Kronos]

Fuck Cyborg. She's a cheater and a monster. 

[The Green Meanie]

8 hours ago, Rhett Cohen said:

Isn't it odd that the only person more beloved in Mexico than the two known assholes Vampiro and Konann is the gigantic asshole Morrisey? And that none of them are Mexican?

I take umbrage with two parts of your post -

1) Vampiro and Konnan are waaaaaay bigger assholes the Morrissey. Morrissey is a saint.

2) Morrissey is beloved all over the world, including his strange following in California street gangs.

[cwoy2j]

25 minutes ago, Player One said:

I don't doubt that those incidents - if true - had a lot to do with Cass' firing.  But let's face it....  a lot of guys have done that or worse and still have jobs.   Hell, guys of a lot less use to the company than Cass have gotten away with worse and kept their jobs.  Remember the story about Sin Cara being kicked off the bus?

Cass' biggest issue was being a middling performer who the company decided wasn't worth any hassles.  If he had carried the Daniel Bryan feud on the mic or impressed people in the matches the two had, he'd probably still have a job.

Besides, we still have those cringeworthy "Big guy in a suit makes fun of little people who aren't really little" promos to remember him by.  Those are so bad, we'll still be making snide comments about them 10 years from now.

 

 

Maybe they should fire the writers who came up with that awful drivel.

[Firebreaker Chip]

Simon Gotch: "Best case scenario, Enzo made a diss rap about a mentally unstable drug addict who needs counseling for both a drug problem and she's bipolar or whatever mental issue she has. She needs to be seeing a psychiatrist and getting drug counselling. She does not need a diss rap being written about her. That is not going to help her situation. And a decent human being would see that and go 'You know what? I'm going to distance myself from this. I'm going to move on and do my own thing. This does not define me. This is not who I am. I did not do this.' They're going to walk away from it because they're clean and innocent.

 

His reaction was instead to do the diss record. Which worst case scenario, he did commit the act of rape, he lucked out because unfortunately the reality of criminal proceedings is that they are financial acts. Lack of evidence usually means that they don't want to spend any more money trying to gather evidence. That it's not been easy enough to justify the cost and they're going to move on. This is not uncommon in cases of sexual assault because again, you rarely have any sort of evidence beyond DNA and all that really shows is that a sex act occurred. It does not show whether or not that act was consensual. So it's just a he said, she said situation unfortunately. So that means worst case scenario, he did a diss track on a woman he raped.

 

So best case scenario he's an awful human being, worst case scenario he's a monster."

I think Gotch did less damage to Enzo that time he nearly killed him

 

[Victator]

7 minutes ago, Firebreaker Chip said:

This is not uncommon in cases of sexual assault because again, you rarely have any sort of evidence beyond DNA and all that really shows is that a sex act occurred. It does not show whether or not that act was consensual.

The kits can tell if there was forceful entry. 

I lean toward Enzo being innocent because if he did it, he is such an idiot he would leave a trail of evidence. 

I do agree doing a "diss track" is not classy. But if I were falsely accused of rape, I would be fairly angry. I don't think you can judge that situation unless you were in it. 

[Victator]

I think the reason Cass was fired is he pocketed the money they gave him for a suit and bought one from the outlet mall. 

[sabremike]

15 minutes ago, Victator said:

I think the reason Cass was fired is he pocketed the money they gave him for a suit and bought one from the outlet mall. 

Meltzer just gave this post 7 stars and said it transcended the art of message board posting. Yeah, it was that great.

[piranesi]

Goddamnnit, the logical punishment for Cass being claustrophobic is to book him in a best of 7 casket match series against Undertaker that he is going to lose 4-0.

[Tromatagon]

But the casket is for a 5'10" guy

[Captain Kronos]

9 minutes ago, Tromatagon said:

But the casket is for a 5'10" guy

That works. Cass's shoot height is 5'9". 

Big shoes. . .

[Just Dave]

2 hours ago, Firebreaker Chip said:

Simon Gotch: "Best case scenario, Enzo made a diss rap about a mentally unstable drug addict who needs counseling for both a drug problem and she's bipolar or whatever mental issue she has. She needs to be seeing a psychiatrist and getting drug counselling. She does not need a diss rap being written about her. That is not going to help her situation. And a decent human being would see that and go 'You know what? I'm going to distance myself from this. I'm going to move on and do my own thing. This does not define me. This is not who I am. I did not do this.' They're going to walk away from it because they're clean and innocent.

 

His reaction was instead to do the diss record. Which worst case scenario, he did commit the act of rape, he lucked out because unfortunately the reality of criminal proceedings is that they are financial acts. Lack of evidence usually means that they don't want to spend any more money trying to gather evidence. That it's not been easy enough to justify the cost and they're going to move on. This is not uncommon in cases of sexual assault because again, you rarely have any sort of evidence beyond DNA and all that really shows is that a sex act occurred. It does not show whether or not that act was consensual. So it's just a he said, she said situation unfortunately. So that means worst case scenario, he did a diss track on a woman he raped.

 

So best case scenario he's an awful human being, worst case scenario he's a monster."

I think Gotch did less damage to Enzo that time he nearly killed him

 

I gotta consider the source here. Gotch has been bitching incessantly about Enzo since he (Gotch) got fired before Enzo did. Gotch is, by all accounts, no saint himself when it comes to backstage behavior. 

[The Green Meanie]

Just ask Sin Cara.

[Victator]

2 hours ago, piranesi said:

Goddamnnit, the logical punishment for Cass being claustrophobic is to book him in a best of 7 casket match series against Undertaker that he is going to lose 4-0.

That would mean Taker winning more than one casket match in a year.